Frankreich - Nachfolger M270 MLRS

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Der neue französische Mehrfachraketenwerfer wird von Turgis & Gaillard in Zusammenarbeit mit ihren Tochterunternehmen Établissements Graffeuille S.A.S. und SEFIAM konzipert:

https://fr.linkedin.com/posts/turgis-ga ... 36768-228X Graffeuille ist dabei für die Trägerplattform, einen Arquus Défense Kerax, verantwortlich. Im oben verlinkten PDF sind erste Fotos des Prototypen während der Fertigung zu sehen. Offizielle Präsentation diese Woche auf dem SIAE in Le Bourget.

theoderich hat geschrieben: Do 28. Nov 2024, 16:14Am 21. November hat der Generalstabschef der Armée de Terre, Pierre Schill, verlauten lassen, dass er eine ballistische Rakete als notwendige Fähigkeit ansieht. Gegenüber der Zeitung "Figaro" hat auch der Chef des gemeinsamen Generalstabs, Thierry Burkhard, von einer "strategischen" Fähigkeit zum Angriff in der Tiefe "mit einer Reichweite von mehreren tausend Kilometern" gesprochen.

Armement : la France envisage un nouveau missile balistique
Mock-ups einer neuen ballistischen Mittelstreckenrakete von ArianeGroup:




ArianeGroup présente ses innovations au 55ème Salon International de l’Aéronautique et de l’Espace (16. Juni 2025)
Du côté des solutions de défense, les visiteurs pourront apprécier le démonstrateur de planeur hypersonique V-MAX, la fusée sonde SyLEX et un nouveau projet de missile balistique terrestre.
https://ariane.group/actualite/arianegr ... e-lespace/
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Dort bekommt der LKW sicher einen "Designpreis"!!! :-)
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PAS 2025 – Safran and MBDA detail Thundart, their proposal for the French Army FLP-T programme

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At Eurosatory 2024 some information were provided by MBDA, although the real green light to the project was given in October 2024, when MBDA and SED officially joined forces for the development of the new multiple rocket launcher and firstly its munition.

The FLP-T programme aims to field a tactical effector, with a 150 km range, which is financed within the French Military Programming Act 2024-2030 (LPM 2024-2030), and an effector at operational level, with a 500 km range, which is not part of that document, and should therefore be present in the next five-year plan.

The two companies started operating in October 2024, MBDA bringing its expertise in propulsion, through Roxel, which became an MBDA company following the acquisition of Safran shares in December 2024, and warheads, while SED is responsible for guidance.

The French Army requirement calls for a national solution at reasonable cost, which will allow saturation fire missions. To do so the guidance system is an adaptation of that of the ASSM Hammer, the kit developed by SED to be installed on Mk82 and Mk84 dumb aerial bombs. The guidance element is available in three different models, INS/GPS, INS/GPS IR, and INS/GPS Laser; for the Thundart the INS/GPS is the one that is being adapted to the new rocket, although at Eurosatory EDR On-Line was told that the addition of a seeker might be considered as part of a further development roadmap. This considerably reduces risks and non-recurrent costs. According to SED results obtained by AASM in operational theatres have shown metric accuracy even with intensive jamming along most of the trajectory.

Although reusing some former developments, both the engine and warhead will be new. Roxel is working on a wholly new thruster; however, in the past years the company manufactured solid-propellant rocket motors for European GMLRS, the Guided MLRS version in use with the MLRS and HIMARS systems. This gives the MBDA subsidiary the know-how and experience to develop the new motor for the longer-range rocket. As for the warhead, here too MBDA will leverage developments done in the past years, for example MBDA proposed a new warhead for the GMLRS that didn’t went into production. No details were provided, as the issue is still open, several options being on the table.
This will be frozen in October 2025, when the current development phase will end. The initial design phase includes all elements, platform, launcher, canister, effector, and support. EDR On-Line understood that the system platform will be an 8×8 high mobility truck; according to information obtained at Eurosatory the launcher should host up to six canisters, one truck carrying to launchers for a total of 12 Thundart rockets, the equivalent of an MLRS and twice that of a HIMARS. Among requirements we find air mobility on board an A400M Atlas transport aircraft.

The next phase of the programme will bring to a prototype, which first firings should take place in April 2026, definitely a tight scheduling. At this point the French Army will select the preferred bidder; EDR On-Line understands that two other competitors are working on the FLP-T programme, Turgis and Gaillard, which unveiled its Foudre MRL at Le Bourget, and Thales with ArianeGroup, Thales not providing details on its solution for the time being.

Deliveries should start in early 2030, EDR On-Line understanding that a first batch of 13 systems should be made available within that same year, the actual Army requirement being for 26 systems.
https://www.edrmagazine.eu/pas-2025-saf ... -programme


PAS 2025 – Foudre: France’s New Power in Modular Rocket Launchers for Tomorrow’s Europe

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Turgis Gaillard hat am 8. Oktober mit Airbus Defence & Space einen Vertrag zur Lieferung des Feuerleitsystems für den Raketenwerfer FOUDRE abgeschlossen, basierend auf dem European Fire Control System (EFCS) des MLRS (Lance-roquettes Unitaire):

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THUNDART: the French solution to replace the unitary rocket launcher

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https://www.mbda-systems.com/thundart-f ... t-launcher
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theoderich hat geschrieben: Di 27. Aug 2024, 13:48 GMLRS-ER und PrSM – kein Export moderner Artillerieraketen nach Norwegen
theoderich hat geschrieben: Mi 12. Feb 2025, 05:09Last year, as Germany had signaled an interest in PULS, Washington updated the scope of the agreement for using interface documents specific to the U.S. M-270 fire control system, Defense News has learned. The change, sources said, effectively meant Berlin would not have permission to launch Lockheed’s missiles out of PULS.

German defense officials declined to comment on the change or describe it in detail, referring only to a “political” holdup — versus a technical incompatibility — that would now rest with the Trump administration for resolution.

A Ministry of Defense spokesman told Defense News that Elbit had “confirmed the technical feasibility of firing the GMLRS Unitary rockets.”

EXCLUSIVE: France’s new rocket artillery system faces denial for US ammunition
France is preparing to field a new rocket artillery system by 2027, but the effort faces an immediate constraint – the system is unlikely to be cleared to fire American-made munitions, which could restrict export opportunities.

Currently, the French armed forces maintain only a limited number of LRU (Lance-Roquettes Unitaire) launchers, based on the American M270. Of the 57 M270 rocket launchers originally in French service, just 13 have been upgraded to the current LRU standards, and four of those were transferred to Ukraine starting in 2022.

As part of a new programme to boost France’s defence industry, Paris is now weighing two domestic contenders: MBDA and Safran have teamed up to offer Thundart, built around longer-range strike capabilities, while Turgis Gaillard is pitching the Foudre, a system that is visually and conceptually similar to the widely used US-developed HIMARS launcher.

However, despite those similarities, a US official confirmed to Euractiv that Washington has not authorised the integration of its Guided Multiple Launch Rocket System (GMLRS) rockets into French systems, raising questions about interoperability.
In December, Euractiv reported that Germany’s Defence Ministry sought similar approval for the EuroPULS Rocket Launcher Artillery System, currently favoured by Berlin, and was denied by the US government.

Officials at France’s defence procurement agency DGA are reportedly aware of the issue, a source familiar with the matter told Euractiv, noting that the likelihood of obtaining US government approval is considered very low. The source cited the research and development costs of the US munitions as one reason for denial.
https://www.euractiv.com/news/exclusive ... mmunition/
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France nears rocket artillery decision, plans ballistic missile by 2035
France is moving closer to a decision on its future rocket artillery system, with the country testing domestically developed weapons this month that will allow for a comparison with foreign systems in a few weeks’ time, the head of the country’s armaments agency said.

The first tests of a French-developed rocket artillery system “went well” on Tuesday, with more testing planned for next week, Patrick Pailloux, the head of the Directorate General for Armament, said in a parliamentary hearing on Wednesday.
The French goal is to buy 26 systems with 300 munitions, and gradually equip a rocket artillery battalion by 2030, according to Pailloux.
https://www.defensenews.com/global/euro ... e-by-2035/


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