Polen: Kampfpanzer Leopard 2PL

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theoderich
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Polen: Kampfpanzer Leopard 2PL

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First Leopard 2PL to be delivered to Poland
“The first Leopard 2PL has passed all Rheinmetall’s factory tests in Germany. Now it will be transported to Poland’s Military Institute of Armoured and Automotive Technology (WITPiS) in Sulejówek for additional qualification,” Otmar Schultheis, Rheinmetall Defence Polska managing director, told Jane’s.

Schultheis added that part of the evaluation in Poland will be identical to the testing in Germany, but has to be repeated by WITPiS because of Polish Armed Forces requirements.

The Leopard 2PL prototype will be tested and qualified by the Polish military.
http://www.janes.com/article/81242/firs ... -to-poland


Wojskowy Instytut Techniki Pancernej i Samochodowej

http://www.witpis.eu/


Polen: Modernisierung und Neubeschaffung von Kampfpanzern

http://www.doppeladler.com/forum/viewto ... f=7&t=2683

http://web.archive.org/web/201802041422 ... f=7&t=2683


Polish Leopard 2 delivery is major NATO milestone (27 September 2002)
Poland has formally accepted the first Leopard 2A4 main battle tanks (MBTs) that Germany is transferring to equip a complete Polish armoured brigade. The project, agreed between the two countries on 29 January, is a significant milestone in improving Poland's interoperability with other NATO forces (JDW 6 February).

The value of the package, which includes 128 MBTs, is between EUR300 million ($294 million) and EUR380 million. Poland will only have to pay the EUR22.5 million cost of moving the vehicles from storage. Germany will provide training for about 490 Polish crew members and maintenance personnel.

The 10th (Lt Gen Stanislaw Maczek) Armoured Cavalry Brigade received the following during a ceremony at its Swietoszow barracks: 15 Leopard 2A4s; 10 UNIMOG (universal motorised vehicle) 1300Ls for company maintenance personnel; and 30 Mercedes-Benz 1170 vehicles for the brigade's logistics battalion.
http://web.archive.org/web/200210101002 ... _1_n.shtml
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Re: Polen: Kampfpanzer Leopard 2PL

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MSPO 2018: Poland pursues tank fleet modernisation
The Polish Ministry of Defence (MoD) is continuing efforts to strengthen its MBT fleet with the signing of a deal for the modernisation of additional Leopard 2A4 tanks alongside analysis of options to upgrade legacy T-72M1/M1D tanks.

An additional 14 Leopard 2A4 tanks will be modernised under an agreement ...
https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/land ... rnisation/
Alarich
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Re: Polen: Kampfpanzer Leopard 2PL

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Das Bild ist ein Ehm BW Leo 2 A5 ?????
theoderich
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Re: Polen: Kampfpanzer Leopard 2PL

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Ja. Allerdings wurde dieser "Leopard" von Wojskowe Zakłady Motoryzacyjne S.A. mit einer Waffenstation Zakłady Mechaniczne Tarnów Zdalnie Sterowany Moduł Uzbrojenia (ZSMU) A3 (Subsysteme dafür werden von der WB Group und PCO geliefert), einem Sichtgerät für den Bordschützen EMES-15 (mit Wärmebildkamera PCO KLW-1 Asteria) und einem koaxial montierten Maschinengewehr ZM Tarnów ZSMU-1276A3B ausgestattet.

Leopard 2A5 z polską termowizją i uzbrojeniem w Kielcach

https://www.defence24.pl/leopard-2a5-z- ... w-kielcach


MSPO 2018: Hyundai Offers K2 Tank for Polish Requirement

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Meanhwile another Poznón company, WZM, presented a modified variant of the LEOPARD 2A5 MBT with a remotely-controlled weapon station (ZSMU) and a modern EMES-15 laser target finder with the KLW-1 ASTERIA thermal camera. A ZSMU-1276A3B, provided by ZM Tarnów, replaced the MG-3 7.62 mm machinegun, an upgrade completed in cooperation with PCO from Warsaw. This camera is already being installed on the 2A4s currently modernised to the 2PL standard, as well as on the PT-91s.

It is worth mentioning that according to a late 2015 agreement, WZM is the contractor responsible for the maintenance of the 2A5s and of the electric transmission systems of all LEOPARD tanks in Polish service (2A4, 2A5 and now 2PL). At the same time, WZL is responsible for some small-scale upgrades; elements presented during MSPO 2018 fall under this category.
https://www.monch.com/mpg/news/land/4089-msspo-k2.html





Auch interessant: Ein PT-91M2 mit derselben Waffenstation, die auf unseren Iveco LMV, Dingo 2, BvS10 und Pandur verwendet wird:







https://www.defence24.pl/geopolityka/ms ... -odslonach
theoderich
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Re: Polen: Kampfpanzer Leopard 2PL

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MSPO 2018: New Life for T-72 and PT-91
Not only is Warsaw currently seeking to procure new tanks, however – it also wants to find a limited, cost-effective modernisation for the PT-91 and T-72 fleet.

The Polish Army has some 458 T-72A main battle tanks (MBT) in service (some in reserve), produced by Bumar-Łabędy in 1981-1990, and 232 of the PT-91 TWARDY family – a Polish development of the T-72M1.

All of them are obsolete and cannot match modern MBTs, including Russian T-72B3s. The Polish defence industry has in the past proposed several modernisation concepts, but the Ministry of National Defence has not selected any to date. At MSPO 2018 Bumar-Łabędy is promoting two new upgrade proposals, known as PT-91M2, available for both types, i.e. T-72s and PT-91s (the PT-91M denotes a variant sold to Malaysia). A related technical dialogue between the company and the Armament Inspectorate regarding a modernisation of the T-72s was initiated in May 2018. It is worth mentioning that the company unveiled the PT-91M2 version for the first time at MSPO 2017.
This year the company presented two technology demonstrators. The first proposal, known as A1, is very similar to the PT-91M2 of 2017, focused on increased firepower, mobility, survivability and improvement of the ergonomics for better crew working conditions and extended mission duration. Bumar-Łabędy proposes to replace the standard 125mm smoothbore 2A46M/2A46/2A46-1 cannon with the Slovak 2A46MS gun, provided by ZTS-SPECIAL, mounted on the Polish tanks delivered to Malaysia, allowing the tanks to fire more advanced KE and HEAT munition. The TPD-K1 gunner day sight and TNP-1-49-23/TPN-3-49-23 night sight would be replaced by a two-axis stabilised day/night panoramic integrated gunner sight with a daylight camera, thermal camera and laser range finder. The company proposes Elbit Systems’ Thermal Imaging Fire Control System – Gunner Sight (TIFCS-GS).

Tanks upgraded to the A1 variant would also get a commander’s day-night panoramic sight for hunter-killer and killer-killer models, integrated with a 12.7 mm machinegun remote controlled weapon station (RCWS) provided by Elbit Systems, a digital fire control system, a soft-kill protection system with smoke grenade launchers, additional reactive armour (the indigenously-developed ERAWA-2), a fire suppression system with DeuGEN agent, and digital internal and external communications integrated with a battlefield management system (BMS). This upgraded proposal includes a W-46-6 (780 hp) engine modernised to the S-12U (850 hp) standard. PT-91M2 also includes a new stabilisation system – replacing the old hydraulic 2E28 digital-electric system. The tank would also receive the SSP-1 OBRA-3 Laser Warning System (provided by Poland’s PCO) integrated with 12 902A smoke grenade launchers (provided by Poland’s DEZAMET). This version would also be equipped with four additional grenade launchers mounted on the Elbit Systems RCWS.

The second upgrade proposal – A2 – will be equipped with either the Slovak 2A46MS gun or the Ukrainian KBA-3, which is similar to the Russian 2A46M-5 and is used on the T-80UD, OPLOT and some modernised T-62s, which could fire the KOMBAT anti-tank missile. It will feature a new, digital fire control system (Safran’s SAVAN-15), a two-axis stabilised day-night integrated gunner sight, commander’s day-night panoramic sight for the hunter-killer and killer-killer models, commander’s passive day-night emergency vision system, a 12.7x99 mm heavy machinegun, digital stabilisation, a soft-kill protection system with smoke grenade launchers, additional ERAWA-2 reactive armour, a fire suppression system with DeuGEN agent and a digital internal external communications integrated with the BMS system. A2 would have a new engine integrated with a power-pack: the A2 variant presented at MSPO 2018 was equipped with the 1,000hp S-1000R, which is used by the Malaysian PT-91Ms.
https://www.monch.com/mpg/news/land/410 ... tanks.html


MSPO 2018: Rheinmetall Focused on ARVs
At MSPO 2018, however, it was auxiliary vehicles, not tanks, that formed the main element of Rheinmetall’s presence. The company confirmed it is offering Poland its BERGEPANZER 3 BUFFEL Armoured Recovery Vehicle (ARV), which was also presented in 2016. It is based on the same chassis as the LEOPARD 2 MBT and the Polish Army, which currently has roughly 30 BERGEPANZER 2s (capable of supporting vehicles up to 55t), is now seeking new and more capable ARVs able to support heavier vehicles (at least 60t), such as the LEOPARD 2A5 and 2PL main battle tanks, as well as the KRAB 155 mm self-propelled howitzers. It was suggested that if BUFFEL is selected, a high degree of participation by Polish industry, including local production, will be a significant factor.

Rheinmetall’s main competitor in this project is BAE Systems, offering its M88A2 HERCULES ARVs. It is estimated that Poland will order several dozen vehicles of this class but, at the same time, is also seeking to modernise its ARVs based on the LEOPARD 1 chassis. Rheinmetall confirmed during MSPO 2018 it has already been in discussions on this issue.

Another vehicle offered by Rheinmetall to Poland is the HX81 heavy equipment transporter vehicle (HET) with an armoured cab, though the version on display in Kielce featured an unarmoured cab. Rheinmetall confirmed it is currently waiting for an announcement of the technical requirements from the Ministry of National Defence, which is expected shortly.
https://www.monch.com/mpg/news/land/410 ... uffel.html
Ralf Sauer
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Re: Polen: Kampfpanzer Leopard 2PL

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Rheinmetall’s main competitor in this project is BAE Systems, offering its M88A2 HERCULES ARVs.
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Die Meinungsfreiheit des Autors in allen Ehren, aber wie man einen M88A2 (seines Zeichens M1 Abrams Unterstützungsfahrzeug) als Hauptkonkurrent für einen Büffel (Leopard 2 Unterstützungsfahrzeug) sehen kann, ist mir schleierhaft.
Mir ist kein Fall bekannt indem eine Leopard 2 Flotte auf Abrams Unterstützungsfahrzeuge zurückgreift und umgekehrt genauso.


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is now seeking new and more capable ARVs able to support heavier vehicles (at least 60t), such as the LEOPARD 2A5 and 2PL main battle tanks, as well as the KRAB 155 mm self-propelled howitzers...
is also seeking to modernise its ARVs based on the LEOPARD 1 chassis.

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Da scheint mir doch naheliegender, dass neben dem System Bergepanzer 3 Büffel, die Systeme Wisent 1 ARV und Wisent 2 ARV in Betracht kommen, zumal diese schon detailliert betrachtet wurden:
https://www.defence24.com/polish-army-e ... y-vehicles
theoderich
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Re: Polen: Kampfpanzer Leopard 2PL

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Ralf Sauer hat geschrieben: Mo 10. Sep 2018, 19:11Mir ist kein Fall bekannt indem eine Leopard 2 Flotte auf Abrams Unterstützungsfahrzeuge zurückgreift und umgekehrt genauso.
Aber auf M60-Unterstützungsfahrzeuge! Siehe Österreich. Das ist aber international ein Sonderfall.

Griechenland verwendet zwar auch noch M88A1, diese werden aber vermutlich für die M60A3 gebraucht. Für die M48A2, Leopard 2A4 und Leopard 2A5HEL gibt es beim griechischen Heer Bergepanzer 2 und Bergepanzer Büffel.

Die Türkei nutzt Bergepanzer 2 und M88:

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http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/galeri-zirhl ... r-40265348
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Re: Polen: Kampfpanzer Leopard 2PL

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Poland considers next generation tank development

https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/land ... velopment/

Weil das ja schon beim "Anders" und beim PL-01 so gut geklappt hat ...
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Re: Polen: Kampfpanzer Leopard 2PL

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Czołgi T-72 będą nowocześniejsze

https://www.gov.pl/web/obrona-narodowa/ ... zesniejsze
  • Modernisierung der T-72:
    • Periskope
    • Navigationssystem
    • Beobachtungssysteme
    • Digitale Kommunikationssysteme
    • Generalüberholung der Kampfpanzer
  • Auftragswert: 1,75 Mrd. zł
  • Laufzeit: 2019-2025

Umowa na modyfikację T-72 podpisana

https://bumar.gliwice.pl/en/news/26/umo ... -podpisana

Das Konsortium PGZ S.A. besteht aus Zakładami Mechanicznymi „BUMAR-ŁABĘDY” S.A. und Wojskowymi Zakładami Motoryzacyjnymi S.A..


Modernizacja pojazdów typu T-72 do standardu (M2)

https://bumar.gliwice.pl/en/strefa-mili ... andardu-m2

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