Entwicklung PANDUR II 8x8 EVO

[Timor]

Falsch. Sowohl Stryker als auch Boxer sind in erster Linie Transportpanzer wie der Pandur. Nur 8x8. Und somit größer und schwerer. Haben im Prinzip auch die selbe Bewaffnung, Waffenstation mit 7,62, 12,7 oder 40mm. Im Stryker ist sie zum Teil nicht mal stabilisiert. Der Boxer "Schwerer Waffenträger Infanterie" ist natürlich etwas anderes, der ist tatsächlich im Prinzip ein Radschützenpanzer.
Und wie gesagt, gerade beim Stryker zeigte sich dass auch ein Transportpanzer gut was wegstecken muss, denn im Ausland hat man schnell mal mit Minen und Sprengsätzen( da ist der Evo eh gut aufgestellt) sowie mit (schwerem) Maschinengewehrfeuer zu tun (da siehts beim Pandur nicht so gut aus). Zudem das Konzept Transportpanzer natürlich auch Feindkontakt hat sowie in Frontnähe eingesetzt wird. Sonst bräuchte es auch keine Pal bzw. Waffenstation.

[Timor]

Im Prinzip ist der Stryker sogar sehr ähnlich zum Pandur. Viele verschiedene Varianten, in erster Linie zum Infanterie Transport, über Pal Stryker, Sanitäts Stryker, JFS... Fast alle haben lediglich eine Waffenstation. Sehr beweglich und rasch Luftverlastbar..

[theoderich]

Sehr beweglich und rasch Luftverlastbar..

Das war einmal - das Fahrzeug war ursprünglich ca. 18,6 t schwer (Grundfahrzeug) und liegt, nach einer Reihe von Nachrüstungen, bei 23,35 t. Alleine die Minenschutzplatte wiegt 1,35 t:


https://www.reddit.com/r/TankPorn/comme ... ?rdt=45667

Weighing about 19 tons each, two combat-loaded Strykers can be transported by a single C-17 cargo aircraft. The Stryker’s relatively light weight also makes it C-130 transportable (excluding double V-hull versions) to a range of approximately 860 miles, which allows for swift intratheater transport to smaller airfields located in remote areas.

Not enough sets of add-on armor kits exist to outfit every Stryker brigade. Therefore, add-on armor kits are primarily housed in pre-positioned stocks such as the one located at Auburn, Washington. Due to their limited availability, and the cost associated with transporting sets to different destinations as GRF assignments change, the decision to outfit Stryker slices with add-on armor will be made upon notification to deploy. Given the accelerated deployment timeline, the most likely course of action is that the add-on armor kits would be installed at an initial staging base en route to the APOD. Then again, the extra weight and size associated with the inclusion of add-on armor significantly increases the amount of aircraft required to transport a Stryker company. Additionally, Strykers with attached add-on armor kits cannot fit in C-130 cargo planes. So, although add-on armor kits enhance Stryker protection and survivability, they also decrease deployability.

https://www.armyupress.army.mil/Portals ... art012.pdf

[theoderich]

https://magnetpress.online/atm/samohybn ... met-am120/

The autonomous turret can be mounted on a wide range of chassis, with remote control from the cab of the vehicle. Single back-up operator station is in the turret itself. The elevation range is 40° to 80°, the traverse is 360°. The minimum range is 504 metres and the maximum 8600 metres. The number of rounds in the carousel is 60, the cadence is 18-20 rounds per minute.

The Slovak company Kerametal, which is supplying the fire control system, and the Czech company Czechoslovak Group (CSG), which is supplying the chassis and cab, are also involved in the development. CSG's original plans included integrating the mortar on the Pandur 8x8 it produces.

https://dennikn.sk/3973648/do-bratislav ... 12-krajin/


120 mm mínomet AM-120

https://www.ztsspecial.sk/en/dotacie

At IDEB Bratislava, Defence Minister Robert Kaliňák and Chair of the Board of Directors of ZTS Špeciál Miroslav Sim unveiled Slovakia's new vehicle-mounted AM-120 Self-Propelled Mortar System. The 120mm automated mortar platform, designed and produced by ZTS Špeciál, a state-owned company based in Dubnica nad Váhom, is unique insofar as it has a sustained rate of fire of 20 rounds per minute.

https://www.mosr.sk/54022-en/podpredsed ... niky-ideb/

• https://www.facebook.com/mosr.sk/posts/ ... udVNRpQPRl

Slovakia debuts rapid-fire mortar at local defense show

A ZTS Special representative told Defense News at the show that the development of the mortar began two years ago and was most recently tested a month ago.

The weapon’s main selling point, according to the manufacturer, is that it can fire approximately 20 rounds per minute, reaching distances of over eight kilometers, or five miles.

The AM-120 can carry 60 rounds, meaning one full load could be blasted out within minutes before the vehicle moves on to avoid triangulation by enemy sensors.

An analysis published earlier this year by the European Council on Foreign Relations highlighted that the Russian counter-battery fire response time is around three minutes.

Slovakia’s AM-120 will rival the Finnish NEMO 120mm self-propelled mortar, produced by Patria Group. It is the only other European system in this category advertised as reaching a maximum rate of fire of 20 shots per minute, but has a longer range than the Slovak-made mortar, capable of hitting targets located more than 10 kilometers away.

Meanwhile, neighbor Poland also produces a mortar system that can be mounted on tracked and wheeled vehicles, the M120 RAK. Designed by Polish defense company Huta Stalowa Wola, it is in service with the Ukrainian Army.

The Ministry of Defense of Slovakia has not yet announced any order for the new mortar.

https://www.defensenews.com/global/euro ... ense-show/



Dieses Konzept klingt ziemlich praxisfern. Angefangen bei der angeblichen Kadenz von 18 - 20 Schuss pro Minute. Wie soll das logistisch bewerkstelligt werden? Und vor allem: Wie lange hält das Rohr so eine Belsstung aus?

[theoderich]

Die neuen Granatwerferträger sollen in einer Stückzahl von 74 Fahrzeugen von 2031 bis 2035 zulaufen:

Die STV Group hat auf der Leistungsschau "Bahna 2024" den Patria NEMO vorgestellt:

[theoderich]

[theoderich]

https://mocr.army.cz/informacni-servis/ ... ce-254057/

PANDUR II EVO

• Höchstzulässiges Gesamtgewicht: max. 25 t

• Motor: 550 hp/405 kW, 1800 Nm, 1400 rpm

• Ballistischer Schutz: Level 4

• Minenschutz: Level 3a/3b

• IED-Schutz: 50 kg TNT im Abstand vom 5 m

• Bewaffnung: 30 mm RCWS Elbit UT30 Mk2, APS, Drohnenabwehrsystem

[theoderich]

Tatra Defence Vehicle develops new Pandur 8x8 EVO armoured vehicle

Tatra Defence Vehicle is currently building a prototype of the Pandur 8x8 EVO, which represents a new generation of the versatile eight-wheel platform. The premiere presentation of this novelty to the public is planned at the IDET 2025 trade fair in Brno.

The Pandur 8x8 EVO will be a next-generation vehicle designed with increased passive and active protection for the crew and vehicle, improved electronic, communications and combat equipment, a new turret and a more powerful powertrain. Compared to the current Pandur II 8x8 CZ in the infantry fighting vehicle version, the maximum weight of the Pandur 8x8 EVO will increase to 25 tonnes. This will be mainly due to the higher ballistic and mine resistance of the hull, which will have a completely redesigned lower part. In addition, the new generation of Pandur does not include seaworthiness, as customers do not require it. The Pandur 8x8 EVO will get a newly designed filter-ventilation system, where filters will be changed from the outside, eliminating the risk of contamination of the vehicle interior. The fuel tanks in the hull will also be relocated to increase protection for the crew and infantry passengers. The air conditioning and heating systems will also be improved for their comfort.

The Pandur 8x8 EVO will have a powerful powerpack to compensate for the higher weight of the vehicle compared to the existing Pandur II 8x8 CZ, so there will be no degradation in on-road or off-road performance. The powertrain will be a Cummins ISL 540 turbo-diesel six-cylinder engine with a capacity of 8.9 litres and an output of 405 kW at 2,200 rpm, with 1,900 Nm of torque at 1,400 rpm. The maximum speed of the new armoured vehicle will be 105 km/h (i.e. the same value as the Pandur II 8x8 CZ introduced in the Czech Armored Forces), and the range will be at least 600 km.

https://www.czdefence.com/article/tatra ... ed-vehicle

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https://cz.linkedin.com/posts/tatradv_n ... 77088-Dbvg

[theoderich]

The Pandur 8×8 EVO is a next-generation vehicle developed by TATRA DEFENCE VEHICLE (TDV) in cooperation with specialists from GDELS-Steyr. It features a modular design with a welded monocoque hull offering customizable ballistic and mine protection levels according to STANAG 4569. Compared to the previous Pandur 8×8 generation, it has a completely redesigned underbody. Due to its high ballistic and mine protection, the Pandur 8×8 EVO weighs up to 25 tons.

It is also transportable by standard NATO transport aircraft, including the C-130, A400, C-5, C-390, etc.

Daran will ich nicht so recht glauben, wenn für den kleineren Pandur EVO 6x6 schon eine C-390 erforderlich ist.

The Pandur 8×8 EVO is powered by a high-performance powerpack, featuring a Cummins ISL 540 six-cylinder turbo diesel engine with a displacement of 8.9 liters, producing 405 kW (2200 rpm) and 1900 Nm torque (1400 rpm). It is paired with a ZF Ecomat 6-speed automatic transmission. The vehicle’s maximum speed is 105 km/h, with a range of at least 600 km.

https://tatradv.cz/en/products/pandur-8x8-evo/

• https://tatradv.cz/wp-content/uploads/2 ... x8_EVO.pdf

[Wolfgang]

Ich verstehe bis heute noch nicht, warum Österreich nicht auch 8x8 Varianten gekauft hat.