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BeitragVerfasst: 11. Mär 2016, 16:58 

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British Army ditches Warthog armoured vehicle



New Warthog takes on a starring front line role (desider, December 2010)



The Warthog is on its way (19. Dezember 2008)

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Providing improved protection to British troops in Afghanistan 100 Bronco vehicles have been bought by the MOD from Singapore Technologies Kinetics to be converted into Warthog armoured vehicles.

Bronco will arrive in the UK in 2009 to undergo transformation to become the armoured, all-terrain vehicle Warthog, replacing the Viking in Afghanistan.

Warthog will be powered by a 7.2 litre engine producing 350 bhp and will be able to move through water - all while carrying up to 14 troops and offering advanced armoured protection that is currently available with the Viking.

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A protected gun mount, extra armour, specialist electronic counter-measure equipment and communications tools will be added before Warthog is deployed on operations.

Warthog will come in four variants - a troop carrier, an ambulance, a command vehicle and a repair and recovery vehicle. The ambulance variant will be capable of carrying casualties, medics and kit. Warthog's repair and recovery variant will be fitted with a crane and winch, and will have the capability of towing another 18-tonne Warthog vehicle back from the front line.

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Bronco will be delivered to the UK in 2009 where it will undergo integration work. It is currently in service with the Singaporean Armed Forces.

When the Vikings are brought back from Afghanistan they will be used by the Royal Marines on training exercises.


Schwer nachzuvollziehen.


Zuletzt geändert von theoderich am 04. Jun 2016, 10:21, insgesamt 2-mal geändert.

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BeitragVerfasst: 12. Mär 2016, 09:20 

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Die Warthogs wurden als "Urgent Operational Requirement" beschafft weil die BV10 mit dem harschen, steinigen Terrain nicht gut zurecht kamen (waren ja auch eher für amphibische Operationen in Küstennähe gedacht) und sich als unzureichend geschützt erwiesen.

Seither hat sich England fast komplett aus Afghanistan zurück gezogen und gleichzeitig nicht nur 24 neue BV10S Mk.II beschafft sondern auch knapp 100 der älteren BV10S auf den gleichen Standard aufgerüstet (bessere Panzerung, stärkerer Antrieb, Bremsen, Aufhängung etc.).

Für die Bedürfnisse der Marines ist der Warthog wohl tatsächlich unpraktischer (ein Meter länger und mindestens 50% schwerer) und die Anwendungsnische im Heer ist mit dem Ende von Afghanistan vorerst verschwunden.

Angesichts der knappen Budgets ist es irgendwie nachvollziehbar, dass man nicht 2 sehr ähnliche Fahrzeugtypen betreiben will und vorerst auch nicht benötigt. Dazu kommt, dass der schwerere Warthog vermutlich teurer zu betreiben ist und eine kleinere Lobby hat als ein BAe Produkt.

Aus österreichischer Sicht ist es aber natürlich zum verrückt werden. Wir schaffen es nicht eine Handvoll gebrauchte BV206 zu beschaffen und die Briten schmeißen 5 Jahre alte Warthogs auf den Müll. Da würde man gerne um eine Altmetallspende bitten. Allerdings bin ich mir nicht sicher ob die Fahrzeuge (aufgrund des Gewichts und Größe) für undere Gebirgsjäger geeignet wären. Eher schon für jene "Flachlandjäger" Bataillone die keine Pandur oder Dingo zur Verfügung haben. Aber das ist alles nur Wunschdenken.


Zuletzt geändert von Merlin am 12. Mär 2016, 13:40, insgesamt 1-mal geändert.

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BeitragVerfasst: 12. Mär 2016, 12:55 

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Er ist aber mit 350 PS bei 16 t Gefechtsmasse immer noch besser motorisiert als der Pandur, insbesondere wenn dieser mit 265 PS sich in Richtung 17 t Gefechtsmasse bewegt.


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BeitragVerfasst: 12. Mär 2016, 13:30 

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Beim "Pandur A2" werden nach dem Kampfwertsteigerungsprogramm für 17 t Gefechtsmasse weiterhin 191 kW (260 PS) zur Verfügung stehen:


69,9 kg/kW beim "Warthog" (350 PS/257,425 kW; 18 t) vs. künftig 98 kg/kW beim "Pandur" A2 (früher: 70,68 kg/kW beim "Pandur" A1). Das ist ein um ganze 40 % schlechteres Verhältnis als beim britischen Kettenfahrzeug.



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BeitragVerfasst: 12. Mär 2016, 14:43 

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Noch schlechter wird es beim spezifischen bzw. beim effektiven Bodendruck (MMP) aussehen, wo Radfahrzeuge schon aufgrund der Fahrwerkskonfiguration den Kettenfahrzeugen unterlegen sind.


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BeitragVerfasst: 12. Mär 2016, 17:21 

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Ich finde den Wathdog zu groß - im vorderen Fahrzeug haben sicher schon 6 Pers. Platz.


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BeitragVerfasst: 12. Mär 2016, 18:09 

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Steht im archivierten DE&S-Artikel: Transportkapazität bis zu 14 Personen!

Ich habe noch zwei Artikel zum britischen BvS10 gefunden:

    Viking vehicles are saving lives in Afghanistan (10. Januar 2007)

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    A Viking at development trials in Bovington Exercise area in Dorset [Picture: CPOA (Phot) George Tweedie HQRM]

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    The Viking is on its first operational tour and British Service personnel speaking to the media, have said that considerably more troops would have died if it had not been for the introduction of the vehicle.

    Despite weighing 10 tonnes the Vikings 5.9 litre turbo diesel engine is capable of producing speeds of 50 mph (80 kph) on roads. And they maintain excellent mobility on soft terrain, such as snow, mud or sand, because of the even load distribution over its four tracks. The vehicle retains mobility even if a track is damaged by a mine. And it can operate in temperatures from -46°C to +49°C.

    The Viking can ford through water up to a depth of 1.5 m without preparation and is fully amphibious, being able to swim in deeper water, fully laden with marines and stores, with less than two minutes' preparation by the crew. The water speed is 5 kph.

    They can also be lifted by Chinook helicopters, driven into a C130 Hercules aircraft or carried on a landing craft. They can also be split into two sections in just 20 minutes to be carried by the Merlin helicopter, so are capable of being easily dropped, ready to use, into a war-zone.

    Britain's Armed Forces are the first in the world to use the vehicles with 108 having been bought for the Royal Marines following a gruelling two year trial and development programme.



    Viking Armoured Vehicle

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    The amphibious Vikings are armoured, all terrain vehicles capable of operating anywhere in the world in temperatures from -46°C to +49°C, and were selected for their ability to be deployed in jungle, desert or arctic conditions quickly.

    A fleet of 108 Viking have been bought for the Royal Marines following a gruelling two-year trial and development programme.

    The first prototype Viking vehicles were delivered in June 2001. The vehicles successfully completed a 24 month series of trials in Norway, the UK, Sweden and Oman. In Norway, the vehicle successfully completed a winter deployment inside the Arctic Circle. In September 2001, Vikings were transported to Oman and took part in Exercise SAIF SAREEA 2, where full operational testing was carried out in the extreme hot and dry desert conditions.

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    There are three variants of the Viking with the Royal Marines: the Troop Carrying Variant (TCV), the command variant (CV) and the repair recovery vehicle (RRV). Its 5.9 litre Cummins turbo diesel engine is capable of producing speeds of 50mph on roads, and the Troop Carrying Variant can carry four people in the front unit and eight fully equipped marines in the rear cab. Alternatively, the rear cabin can carry a heavy machine gun section, or a fully equipped anti-tank detachment with Milan anti-armour missiles and firing posts. Both cabins are air-conditioned.

    The body of the Viking is of armoured steel construction. The rounded edges and smooth contours of the profile assist in minimising the radar cross-section which gives the platform a 'stealthy' profile. The vehicle design allows for upgrades and for the installation of modular subsystems to suit specific operational requirements, including add-on armour, a range of weapon mounts, load changers, and standard platforms. Steering is by hydraulic rams that articulate the front and rear cabs in response to the driver's inputs. Steering does not require one track to be braked as in other tracked vehicles. This gives great advantage in increasing the vehicle's over-snow, over-sand and over-soft ground capabilities.



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BeitragVerfasst: 15. Mär 2016, 11:33 

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Was passiert mit den 100 Stück? Einlagerung, Verkauf, Verschrottung? Was würde da wohl ein Stück gebraucht kosten?


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BeitragVerfasst: 15. Mär 2016, 13:16 

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Ich glaube kaum, daß man diese Trümmer aus Korea wirklich bei uns brauchen würde.....


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BeitragVerfasst: 15. Mär 2016, 17:17 

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Die 100 Fahrzeuge haben 2009 ca. 150 Mio Pfund gekostet.


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Versatile Vikings' £37 million upgrade completed

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The Ministry of Defence (MOD) announced in September 2012 that 99 Viking vehicles, used extensively by the Royal Marines, would be regenerated under a new £37 million contract with BAE Systems.

The revamp of the Viking Fleet has seen the vehicles fitted with new mine blast protected hulls designed to offer additional defence should they encounter an explosive device. In addition the entire fleet has had improvements made to its braking and suspension systems. The project has been managed by the MOD’s Defence Equipment and Support organistion based in Bristol.

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The forward cabin of all 99 vehicles have been fitted with a Protected Weapon Mount (PWM) which pivots 360 degrees and can be used with either a 12.7mm Browning heavy machine gun or 7.62 general purpose machine gun. Nine Viking vehicles have also been upgraded to allow the firing of an 81mm mortar from the vehicle.

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The Regeneration Programme currently secures the vehicle’s service life until 2024 with an option to further extend that date until 2034.



UK seeks Bv 206D replacement (6. April 2016)

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The UK Royal Marines are set to replace their fleet of BAE Systems Hagglunds Bv 206D all-terrain vehicles (ATV).

The Bv 206D (D - diesel), which has been in service since 1985, has a current out of service date (OSD) of 2021. The platform provides the Royal Marines with its amphibious all-terrain command and control (C2), combat support (CS), and Combat Service Support (CSS) capabilities.

These are normally deployed to the rear of the fighting echelon, which deploys the armoured BAE Systems Hagglunds BvS 10 ATV (called Viking in UK service).

This fleet will be replaced by the Future ATV, likely contenders for which are the BAE Systems Hagglunds Beowulf and the Singapore Technologies Kinetics ExtremV, both of which are currently at the prototype/pre-production stage.

In their baseline configuration these are both unarmoured, but could potentially be fitted with an applique protection package for use in high threat areas - this would however reduce their payload capacity.



BVs10 Beowulf

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ExtremV




United Kingdom-Bristol: All-terrain vehicles

2015/S 138-254178

Prior information notice

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II.4) Short description of nature and quantity or value of supplies or services:

The UK Ministry of Defence (MOD) Armoured Vehicles Programmes (AVP) In-Service Platforms (ISP) has a possible future requirement to deliver a Category B Future All Terrain Vehicle (F/ATV) to replace the BV206 Platform.

The littoral manoeuvre components of 3 Commando Brigade and Army elements of the Joint Force Command (JFC) requiring amphibious all-terrain vehicles are currently provided with the BV206 family of support vehicles. BV206 is obsolescent and is being fleet managed to an extended out of service (OSD) of 2021 to align with the Planned Assumed Service Entry (PASE) date for the replacement, F/ATV.

The F/ATV requirement is to provide a robust, easily supportable system, comprising all terrain support vehicles that enable the user to achieve mission success in its primary role as Theatre Entry Forces, and can operate in the most diverse climatic and topographical conditions worldwide, within defined threat and readiness levels, in order to support and contribute to littoral and land manoeuvre operations (including air).

F/ATV will deliver the following variants:

    — Troop Carrying Variant (TCV).

    — Command Variant (CV).

    — Ambulance (AMB).

    — Mortar Variant (MOR).

    — Repair Variant (RV).

    — Logistics Variant (Flatbed).

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II.6) Scheduled date for start of award procedures

1.4.2016

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II.8) Additional information:

    Requirement

    The platform design must have growth potential to incorporate adaptable vehicle architecture to allow the following capabilities to be integrated into the platform:

      — Open architecture Communication Information System

      — Generic Vehicle Architecture

      — Electronic Counter Measures

      — Bowman

      — Self Defence Weapon System

    The base platform must be of a modular design capable of fulfilling the requirement for a ‘family’ of platforms and although there must be capacity for growth, it must be capable of meeting the candidate User Requirements (cKURs) below.

      — The user shall be able to operate the capability in the most challenging littoral, environmental, climatic and topographic conditions, including arctic snow and desert.

      — The user shall be able to operate the capability with a single driver

      — The user shall be able to have tactical mobility commensurate with the overland mobility of VIKING

      — The user shall be able to deploy a tactical HQ up to 1* level.

      — The user shall be able to transport a payload with no reduction in platform capability.

      — The user shall be able to move personnel, securely seated, with no reduction in platform capability.

      — The user shall be able to provide section level mortar fire from a stabilised platform.

      — The user shall be able to treat patient(s).

      — The user shall be able to ensure that the operator can recover the supported fleet.

      — The user shall be able to deploy the capability by tactical assetts associated with Amphibious Theatre Entry Operations

      — The user shall be able to be protected against a range of hostile threats commensurate with the role of theatre entry forces.

      — The user shall be able to maintain the platform.


    Timelines

      Stakeholder Day (DSEI, London) Sep 2015

      Initial Gate Apr 2016

      Main Gate Apr 2018

      Planned Assumed Service Entry (PASE) Sep 2021

      Full Operating Capability (FOC) Mar 2024

      Out of Service Date (OSD) 2040

    Scale

      — F/ATV's estimated value is currently expected to fall into MOD's Category B approval range (£100-250M).

      — Estimated cost of F/ATV project is circa 230 000 000 GBP.

      — Number of F/ATV platforms circa 233.

      — PASE definition: 33 platforms in 2021.


This notice is being issued purely to inform Industry of this Possible Future Requirement/Purchase. Please do NOT submit Expresssions of Interest against this notice.



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United Kingdom-Bristol: All-terrain vehicles

2017/S 206-426541

Prior information notice for contracts in the field of defence and security

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II.4) Short description of nature and scope of works or nature and quantity or value of supplies or services:

This Requests for Information (RFI) advert is a follow-up to the initial market survey sought under Prior Information Notice (PIN) Ref 254178-2015 and addendum 161660-2015 published in July and August 2015 respectively. As it is over 2 years since the last industry engagement UK Ministry of Defence (MOD) are seeking a second market survey through a RFI to update and inform its acquisition strategy as well as identifying any changes to potential products in the market.

MOD has a Category B possible future requirement to deliver a Future All Terrain Vehicle (FATV) to replace the BV206 platform. MOD are seeking existing products that are already in-service or production ready that can be adopted to fulfill the UK role. FATV requirement is to provide a robust, easily supportable system comprising several variants that can operate in diverse climatic and topographical conditions worldwide, in order to support and contribute to littoral and land manoeuvre operations. In meeting this role the platform will be required to have armour protection, an ability to swim and have extreme mobility over terrain such as deep snow and marsh land.

The purpose of this PIN is to alert the market to the potential future requirement and is not a formal request for Expression of Interest (EoI). A competitive Contract Notice and dynamic PQQ is planned to be issued in Q4 2018 to request EoIs which will reference this PIN.

Issue of the PIN and participation thereof is solely on a non-commitment basis.

This exercise is not a launch of a formal procurement procedure, nor does it represent a commitment by MOD to launch any formal procurement procedure.

This advert is published in the Official Journal of the European Union (OJEU) in accordance with Regulation 14 of the Defence and Security Public Contract Regulations and the MOD Defence Contracts Bulletin. Participants must read through this set of instructions and follow the process to respond to this opportunity. Potential participants should note that this RFI is aimed at vehicle platform manufacturers and would not be appropriate for sub-system vendors in the supply chain.



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