Dänemark kauft Kampfflugzeuge

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Re: Dänemark kauft Kampfflugzeuge

Beitrag von theoderich » 15. Apr 2014, 14:50

Denmark Kicks Off Fighter Contest

Officials from the New Combat Aircraft Program have sent what they call Requests for Binding Information (RBI) to Boeing for the F/A-18F Super Hornet, to Eurofighter for the Typhoon, to Lockheed Martin for the F-35A and to Saab for the Gripen E, as the country looks to replace its aging fleet of F-16 Fighting Falcons. Dassault and its Rafale have not been invited.

Candidates are expected to return the information in July, with officials due to make a selection on the aircraft in mid-2015 based on the platform’s ability to be updated during its operational life, its operations and maintenance costs, and also a willingness by the companies to develop industrial relationships with Danish industry.

The new aircraft are likely to enter service between 2020-2024, by which time the Danish F-16s will be up to 45 years old.

“This is a comprehensive and detailed information gathering to help provide the New Combat Aircraft Program with the best possible data base to analyze and evaluate the candidate aircraft on the various assessment areas,” Danish officials say.

Denmark is already a Level 3 signatory to the Joint Strike Fighter program, having signed up in 2002. Indeed, one of its F-16Bs is stationed at Edwards AFB, Calif., to support the aircraft’s flight test program. But being a signatory to the program does not oblige it to purchase the aircraft, and Danish industry has reportedly expressed disappointment about the amount of business won from the F-35 program.

Meanwhile, Boeing is planning to send the Super Hornet to the Royal Danish Air Force’s main airshow at Karup, Denmark on June 22.

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Re: Dänemark kauft Kampfflugzeuge

Beitrag von theoderich » 22. Jul 2014, 15:24

Dänemark erhält nur drei Angebote


Nach der Anforderung von verbindlichen Informationen am 10. April erhielt das dänische Verteidigungsministerium bis zum gestrigen Stichtag nur drei Antworten. Saab beteiligt sind nicht weiter an dem Wettbewerb.

Im Rennen bleiben somit der Eurofighter, Boeing mit der F/A-18E/F Super Hornet und die F-35A Lightning II von Lockheed Martin. Diese Offerten sollen nun eingehend geprüft werden. Dabei geht es um die Bewertung von strategischen Fragen, militärischen Aspekten, Kosten und Fragen der industriellen Zusammenarbeit (Gegengeschäfte für die heimische Industrie). Mit einer Auswahlentscheidung wird Mitte 2015 gerechnet.

Gründe für die Absage nennt die zuständige staatliche schwedische Militärexportagentur FXM nicht. Allerdings gibt es Gerüchte, dass die Ausschreibung die F-35 bevorzugt. Dänemark verweist allerdings darauf, dass der Beschaffungsprozess aufgrund externer Empfehlungen transparent und fair angelegt ist. Die Abwicklung unterliege zudem einer Qualitätssicherung durch Deloitte und RAND Europe.

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Re: Dänemark kauft Kampfflugzeuge

Beitrag von stefanT » 24. Jul 2014, 09:56

Finde ich richtig von Saab bei dieser Ausschreibung nicht mitzumachen. Dänemark ist ja schon am F-35 Programm beteiligt, da ist es offensichtlich welche Flugzeuge bestellt werden.

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Beitrag von theoderich » 08. Jun 2015, 08:25

New Finn, Danish Leaders To Decide Future Fighters

Denmark is heading into fresh parliamentary elections on June 18 — the same day the Ministry of Defense plans to hold a special fighter aircraft project assessment meeting to evaluate the three short-listed aircraft and guide the selection process.

Danish Defense Minister Nicolai Wammen informed the national parliament on May 26 that the planned June meeting would not select an aircraft type. "This is the beginning of the selection process," Wammen said.

The new Danish government is expected to examine the fighter replacement program and selection process in August. The Lockheed Martin F-35A, Boeing's F/A-18 Super Hornet and the Eurofighter Typhoon remain in the race for the estimated $4.5 billion contract. The three manufacturers have been asked by the MoD's Project Office to present bids for 24, 30 and 36 combat aircraft.

The MoD had set a deadline of July 21 for competing companies to submit their responses.

The ministry aims to conclude its selection process in 2015-2016 and begin replacing its fleet of Lockheed Martin F-16AM/BM Fighting Falcons by 2020.

The number of aircraft that the government decides to acquire will ultimately determine Denmark's future ambitions in terms of national and regional defense policy, said Jacob Engel Schmidt, a Liberal Party member of parliament and a member of the Parliamentary Defense Group.

"Too low a number and the Danish Air Force will have problems taking part in international operations, or adequately protecting Denmark's Arctic territories," Schmidt said.

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Beitrag von theoderich » 06. Dez 2015, 12:09

Denmark Further Postpones Fighter Selection Until 2016

Elected in June, the conservative-liberal Danish government continues to grapple with funding issues around the estimated $4.5 billion Fighter Replacement Program (FRP).

Progress in the FRP has also been complicated by rising development costs and technical problems relating to Lockheed Martin’s F-35 Lightning 11, which along with Boeing's F/A-18 Super Hornet and the Eurofighter consortium’s Typhoon, is one of three short-listed candidate aircraft in the Danish competition.

That the Ministry of Defense has seen three different ministers come and go in the past two years, with political oversight for the FRP moving from Nicolai Wammen to Carl Holst and to the present minister, Peter Christensen, has also been a contributing factor in extending the decision-making process.

Christensen has told the Parliamentary Defense Committee (PDC) there will be no announcement on aircraft selection until all funding issues have been resolved and the government finalizes a finance plan.

This Danish government is set to announce a selection in the first quarter of 2016.

Denmark has contributed an estimated $291 million to the Joint Strike Fighter development program.

The three competitors have submitted bids for 24, 30 and 36 aircraft to the MoD's Project Office. Denmark had originally sought bids for up to 48 aircraft to replace the Danish Air Force’s aging F-16s.

However, economic uncertainty and tougher public spending cuts have reduced Denmark’s appetite for higher budgets and lowered its ambitions regarding the number of aircraft to be acquired.

The government’s final finance solution could reduce the number of fighter aircraft to be bought to 24. Any offset in the Air Force’s capability could be covered by the acquisition of drone aircraft capable of operating in extreme climates, specifically in Denmark’s vast Arctic territories around the Faroe Islands and Greenland.

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Beitrag von theoderich » 23. Jan 2016, 09:15

Replacing Denmark's Aging F-16s Could Place Strain on Defense Budget

Based on current estimates, the fighter replacement program is likely to cost Denmark between US $3 billion and US $4.5 billion, depending on the number of aircraft eventually purchased.

Moreover, the Danish government will need to budget for additional associated expenditures of between $10 billion to $13 billion to cover operational and maintenance costs over the aircraft’s intended 30-40 year lifespan.

Denmark sought bids on 24, 30 and 36 aircraft. These numbers are substantially lower than Denmark’s initial ambition to acquire up to 48 aircraft at the outset of the acquisition program in 2005. The DAF’s front-line fighter fleet currently has 30 operational F-16s.

"More money is needed to finance the fighter replacement program. What is quite clear is that the project can not be funded from within the existing core defense budget as it stands today," said Rasmus Jarlov, a member of the Conservative Party and chairman of the Danish parliament’s Committee on Defense.

A fighter replacement program (FRP) financed solely from the annual defense budget could prove too large a drain on the Danish Defense Force’s (DDF) finances, which are already in decline, said Jarlov.

Cross-party political support for the FRP has been based on the understanding that the program could be funded from within an expanded defense budget.

The Conservative Party-led Danish government, headed by Prime Minister Lars Løkke Rasmussen, was elected to office in June 2015 on a robust commitment to implement fiscally correct public finance policies.

The government’s room to maneuver on defense spending generally, and the FRP specifically, is tempered by the fact that it is a single-party minority government reliant on the continued support of the Liberal Alliance, the Danish People's Party and the Conservative People’s Party.

The Danish Cabinet is in discussions with the Ministry of Defence to formulate a financing solution for the FRP that will seek to protect the DDF’s core budgets going forward. The present five-year defense spending agreement is set to expire in 2017.

The MoD is mindful of concerns communicated by NATO and opposition leaders that the FRP must not be such a drain on the DDF’s budget and resources that it weakens Denmark’s national military capability and its capacity to contribute to ongoing NATO operations and tasks.

"If the intention is that the money must be found within the normal defense budget, then NATO’s concerns are largely justified," said Henrik Breitenbauch, director of the Copenhagen-based Centre for Military Studies.

Denmark’s New Fighter Program Office (NFPO), which operates under the MoD, is expected to complete all components in its final evaluation of candidate aircraft by the end of January 2016.

The MoD is set to present a recommendation, based on the NFPO’s candidate aircraft evaluation report, to the Cabinet by the end of the first half of 2016. This could potentially happen as soon as March or April

The aircraft recommendation stage will be followed by a public debate, which will also trigger political cross-party discussions around the aircraft selection and the government’s project financing plan.

The FRP has experienced five separate delays under five difference defense ministers since the project was launched in August 2005.

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Re: Dänemark kauft Kampfflugzeuge

Beitrag von theoderich » 12. Mai 2016, 19:06

Forsvaret glad for at indstilling om nyt kampfly nu ligger klar

Danmarks kommende kampffly

Peter Platzgummer

That's an impressive example how you make a fighter jet cheaper than it probably is

Nick de Larrinaga

Been digesting #Denmark's 104 page report on #F35 choice. There seem to be some weird value judgements made in it, esp on airframe numbers

Danish Government Recommends Buying 27 F-35s

The Danish Prime Minister and the Defense Minister announced that the government is recommending Denmark purchase 27 F-35s at a price of 20 billion Danish Kroner, or about $3 billion. The next phase is an open debate in the Danish parliament, which is expected to last about a month before Denmark makes a final decision.

The Danish government chose the F-35 as the best option for its next-generation fighter fleet over Saab’s Gripen NG, Eurofighter’s Typhoon, and Boeing’s F/A-18 Super Hornet. Although critics frequently slam the joint strike fighter for cost overruns, the Danish government concluded buying the F-35 would actually be the cheapest option to meet national security needs.

Officials estimated life cycle costs are lowest for the JSF because Denmark needs fewer F-35s than Super Hornets or Eurofighters to perform the same missions, according to an executive summary of the type selection of Denmark's new fighter aircraft.

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Re: Dänemark kauft Kampfflugzeuge

Beitrag von Maschin » 15. Mai 2016, 15:13

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Re: Dänemark kauft Kampfflugzeuge

Beitrag von theoderich » 15. Mai 2016, 15:34

Und dann noch die Argumentation neben der Grafik:

    Økonomiske forhold

    I den økonomiske evaluering sammenlignes kandidaternes estimerede levetidsomkostninger på baggrund af beregninger i den kvantitative økonomimodel. Levetidsomkostningerne dækker over omkostninger forbundet med anska&else, løbende drift og vedligeholdelse samt omkostninger relateret til risici i en periode på 30 år.

    De estimerede levetidsomkostninger er lavest for Joint Strike Fighter, næstlavest for Super Hornet og højest for Eurofighter. Dette skyldes primært, at Joint Strike Fighter-stel er designet til at kunne flyve 8.000 timer, mens Eurofighter og Super Hornet begge er designet til at kunne flyve 6.000 timer. For at løse opgavekomplekset kræves der derfor færre flyystel ved køb af Joint Strike Fighter end ved køb af Eurofighter eller Super Hornet. Beregningerne i økonomimodellen har således peget på et behov for henholdsvis 28 Joint Strike Fighter-stel, 34 Eurofighter-stel og 38 Super Hornet-stel til at løse det samme opgavekompleks. Dertil skyldes resultatet, at Super Hornet er et to-sædet fly og derfor har større behov for flyvetimer til uddannelse og træning af besætninger end Eurofighter og Joint Strike Fighter. Endvidere har Eurofighter højere vedligeholdelsesomkostninger pr. Flyvetime end Joint Strike Fighter og Super Hornet. Anskaffelsesprisen pr. fly er højest for Eurofighter.

    Figur 0.2. viser de estimerede levetidsomkostninger inddelt i anskaffelse, drift og vedligeholdelse samt risici. Den lodrette streg viser graden af usikkerhed i estimatet.

    Følsomhedsanalyser viser, at resultatet af den økonomiske evaluering generelt er robust overfor ændringer i centrale forudsætninger, såsom eksempelvis stellevetid.

    Economic conditions

    The economic evaluation compared the candidates' estimated lifetime costs based on calculations in the quantitative economics model. The lifetime cost covers costs associated with the acquisition, ongoing operation and maintenance and costs related to risks in a period of 30 years.

    The estimated lifetime cost is lowest for the Joint Strike Fighter, second lowest for the Super Hornet and the highest for the Eurofighter. This is due primarily to the frame of the Joint Strike Fighter which is designed to fly 8,000 hours, while the Eurofighter and Super Hornet are both designed to fly 6,000 hours. To solve complex required tasks therefore needs less airframes with the purchase of the Joint Strike Fighter than the Eurofighter or Super Hornet. The calculations in the economics model have identified a need for 28 Joint Strike Fighter frames, 34 Eurofighter frames and 38 Super Hornet frames to solve the same task complex. In addition, due to the result the Super Hornet is a two-seat aircraft and therefore has greater need of flight hours for education and training of crews than the Eurofighter and Joint Strike Fighter. Furthermore, the Eurofighter has higher maintenance costs per flight hour than the Joint Strike Fighter and the Super Hornet. Acquisition costs per aircraft are the highest for Eurofighter.

    Figure 0.2. shows the estimated lifetime costs divided in the acquisition, operation and maintenance as well as risks. The vertical line shows the degree of uncertainty in the estimate.

    Sensitivity analyses show that the results of the economic evaluation are generally robust to changes in key assumptions, such as for example the lifetime of frames.

Dass man dem "Eurofighter" das höchste Risiko zugeschrieben hat, obwohl es sich dabei um ein Flugzeug handelt, bei dem schon einige Fähigkeiten voll entwickelt sind (Zumindest mit den Phase 1-Enhancements, bei denen vier Luft-Luft-Lenkwaffen großer Reichweite und vier Luft-Luft-Lenkwaffen kurzer Reichweite getragen werden können, weiters vier Bomben und zwei Zusatztanks. Hinzu kommen noch Laser GPS, Zielbehälter, IFF Mode 5, verbesserte Funkgeräte, Direct Voice Input, Air-to-Surface Helmet Mounted Sight System, digitale Integration von ASRAAM und IRIS-T und verbessertes MIDS.) ist ebenso wenig nachvollziehbar. Die Phase-2a-Enhancements (MBDA Meteor, Storm Shadow) befinden sich derzeit noch in der Erprobung. Mit den Phase-3-Enhancements kommt noch Brimstone 2 hinzu. Und man tut so, als befände der "Eurofighter" quasi im Prototypenstadium und wäre nirgends eingeführt:

    In relation to the sub-area of candidate risk, the Super Hornet has been assessed to carry the least risk of the three candidates even though the candidates in this area are almost equal. The reasons are, among other things, that already today the Super Hornet is used operationally by other countries, and that risks associated with, for example, the procurement and implementation of the aircraft are assessed to be low. The risks associated with the Joint Strike Fighter and the Eurofighter are assessed to be higher.

Der Jahresbericht 2015 des DOT&E schreibt zum Stand der Waffenintegration bei der F-35 von folgendem Programmstatus:

    DOT&E FY2015 Annual Report

    • The program focused on culminating Block 2B development and testing in order to provide a fleet release enabling the Marine Corps F-35B Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) declaration of Initial Operational Capability (IOC), while transitioning development and flight test resources to Block 3i and Block 3F.

      - The program terminated Block 2B developmental flight testing in May 2015, delivering Block 2B capability with deficiencies and limited combat capability. The Marine Corps declared IOC at the end of July 2015. However, if used in combat, the Block 2B F-35 will need support from command and control elements to avoid threats, assist in target acquisition, and control weapons employment for the limited weapons carriage available (i.e., two bombs, two air-to-air missiles). Block 2B deficiencies in fusion, electronic warfare, and weapons employment result in ambiguous threat displays, limited ability to respond to threats, and a requirement for off-board sources to provide accurate coordinates for precision attack. Since Block 2B F-35 aircraft are limited to two air-to-air missiles, they will require other support if operations are contested by enemy fighter aircraft. The program deferred deficiencies and weapons delivery accuracy (WDA) test events from Block 2B to Block 3i and Block 3F, a necessary move in order to transition the testing enterprise to support Block 3i flight testing and Block 3F development, both of which began later than planned in the program’s Integrated Master Schedule (IMS).

    • The Block 3F WDA events plan currently contains events that will test Block 3F capabilities to employ the GBU-12 Paveway II laser-guided bomb, GBU-31/32 Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM), Navy Joint Stand-off Weapon (JSOW)-C1, Small Diameter Bomb I (SDB-1), AIM-120C Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile (AMRAAM), AIM-9X, and the gun in the full operating environment of each variant.

      - The Block 3F developmental test WDA plan contains 48 events in the approved Test and Evaluation Master Plan (TEMP), plus two WDA events deferred from Block 2B, for a total of 50. These 50 WDA events cannot be accomplished within the remaining time planned by the Program Office to complete Block 3F flight test (by May 2017, per the program’s master schedule), nor by July 2017 (the most recent briefed date to complete Block 3F flight test from the Program Office), and support the date
      in the IMS for the Block 3F fleet release (August 2017). The past WDA event execution rate is approximately one event per month. The test team would need to triple this rate to complete all WDA events in the approved TEMP by May 2017. However, these Block 3F events are more complex than the Block 2B and 3i events.

    The current schedule to complete System Development and Demonstration (SDD) and enter IOT&E by August 2017 is unrealistic.

      - Full Block 3F mission systems development and testing cannot be completed by May 2017, the date reflected in the most recent Program Office schedule, which is seven months later than the date planned after the 2012 restructure of the program. Although the program has recently acknowledged some schedule pressure and began referencing July 31, 2017, as the end of SDD flight test, that date is unrealistic as well. Instead, the program will likely not finish Block 3F development and flight testing prior to January 2018, an estimate based on the following assumptions:

        ▪ Continuing a six test point per flight accomplishment rate, which is equal to the calendar year 2015 (CY15) rate observed through the end of November.

        ▪ Continuing a flight rate of 6.8 flights per month, as was achieved through the end of November 2015, exceeding the planned rate of 6 flights per month (note that if the flight rate deteriorates to the planned rate of 6 flights per month, then testing will not complete until May 2018).

        ▪ Completing the full Block 3F test plan (i.e., all 7,230 original baseline and budgeted non-baseline test Points in the Block 3F joint test plan).

        ▪ Continuing the CY15 discovery rate of 5 percent, i.e., 5 additional test points are required to address new discoveries per 100 baseline test points accomplished. This assumption is optimistic. In the likely event significant new discoveries continue during developmental testing in 2016, additional Block 3F software releases would be needed to address them, adding more test points and extending development further.



      • Using an active electronically scanned array radar and other sensors, the F-35 is intended to employ precision-guided bombs such as the GBU-31/32 JDAM, GBU-39 SDB, Navy JSOW-C1, AIM-120C AMRAAM, and AIM‑9X infrared‑guided short-range air-to-air missile.

      • The program provides mission capability in three increments:

        - Block 1 (initial training; two increments were fielded: Blocks 1A and 1B)

        - Block 2 (advanced training in Block 2A and limited combat capability in Block 2B)

        - Block 3 (limited combat in Block 3i and full combat capability in Block 3F)


Dabei geht es ausschließlich um die Integration von Waffensystemen aus US-Produktion. Keine Rede z.B. von ASRAAM, IRIS-T, Meteor oder AASM:

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Beitrag von theoderich » 15. Mai 2016, 21:07

Und das dänische Verteidigungsministerium will den Bürgern auch noch einreden, dass man mit 28 F-35 dasselbe leisten kann, wie mit 34 "Eurofighter" oder 38 F/A-18E/F "Super Hornet".

Das GAO hat seit März drei weitere Berichte zum JSF-Programm veröffentlicht:

    F-35 Sustainment:
    DOD Needs a Plan to Address Risks Related to Its Central Logistics System

    GAO-16-439: Published: Apr 14, 2016. Publicly Released: Apr 14, 2016.

    F-35 Joint Strike Fighter:
    Continued Oversight Needed as Program Plans to Begin Development of New Capabilities

    GAO-16-390: Published: Apr 14, 2016. Publicly Released: Apr 14, 2016.

    Program Continues to Face Affordability Challenges

    The F-35 program continues to face affordability challenges. The F-35 is still DOD’s most costly acquisition program. As of December 2015, the estimated total acquisition cost for the F-35 program is $379 billion, or $12.1 billion less than DOD reported in 2014. The program will require an average of $12 billion per year to complete the procurement of aircraft through 2038. The program expects to reach peak production rates for U.S. aircraft in 2022, at which point DOD expects to spend more than $14 billion a year on average for a decade (see figure 2). These affordability challenges will compound as the program competes with other large acquisition programs including the long range strike bomber and KC-46A Tanker. At the same time, the number of operational F-35 aircraft that DOD will have to support will be increasing. The total cost to operate and support the F-35 fleet is still estimated to be more than $1 trillion. In recent years, affordability challenges, in part, have forced the Air Force to defer F-35 aircraft procurements to later years. Since 2014, the Air Force deferred 45 aircraft between 2017 and 2021 to later years. This will likely require the military service to make unplanned investments in extending the service life of their current fighter aircraft. The cost of extending the lives of current fighter aircraft and acquiring other major weapon systems, while continuing to produce and field new F-35 aircraft, poses significant affordability risks in a period of austere defense budgets.

    F-35 Joint Strike Fighter:
    Preliminary Observations on Program Progress

    GAO-16-489T: Published: Mar 23, 2016. Publicly Released: Mar 23, 2016.

    The full warfighting capability for the F-35 is to be attained with the completion of Block 3F, the final software block in the current development program. As indicated by the percent of test points completed, all of the blocks leading up to 3F have been completed, although they experienced delays in getting to this point. Block 3F has completed 18 percent of its test points. Our preliminary findings show that the program completed all of the mission systems software testing planned in 2015, but completion of Block 3F testing could be challenging given the complexity of the missions and the stressing environments that remain to be tested. Program officials believe that the completion of 3F developmental testing could be delayed by about 2-3 months. As of December 2015, our preliminary analysis of program data indicated that Block 3F testing could be delayed by as much as 6 months if the program performs at the same rate it has in the past and is executed according to the current plan with no additional test point growth [Test point growth is defined as test points that are unplanned and are required to be conducted, often as a result of issues found during testing. The program plans for test point growth, but has historically experienced higher growth than anticipated.]. Delays could be exacerbated by the current mission system software stability issues and large number of remaining weapon delivery accuracy events that must take place.

    Our preliminary work indicates that in 2015 program officials continued to address many of the key technical risks that we have highlighted in the past—including an engine seal and the helmet mounted display—and they identified some new risks. Problems with the engine seal were addressed through a design change that was incorporated into production, and as of September 2015, 69 of 180 engines had undergone retrofits. A new helmet—known as the Gen III helmet—that is intended to address shortfalls in night vision capability, among others, was developed and delivered to the program in 2015. Developmental testing of the new helmet is mostly complete, with final verification testing planned in 2016. The program also identified new risks with the ejection seat and cracking in the F-35C wing structure. Program officials discovered that pilots less than 136 pounds could possibly suffer neck injuries during ejection. Officials noted that although the problem was discovered during testing of the new helmet, the helmet’s weight was not the root cause. The program is exploring a number of possible solutions to ensure pilot safety. In addition, program officials discovered cracking in the wing structure of the F-35C structural test aircraft during durability testing. Structural testing was halted for about 3 months, and Lockheed Martin officials we spoke with stated that a long-term fix had not been identified.

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Beitrag von theoderich » 20. Mai 2016, 17:20

Boeing Disputes Denmark’s F-35 Evaluation

Boeing Vice President Debbie Rub told a Danish parliamentary committee in a private hearing Thursday that the recommendation that Denmark buy 27 F-35s to replace its aging F-16 fighter fleet was based on “incomplete and possibly flawed data,” the company confirmed to Defense News. The news was first reported by Reuters.

A Boeing official challenged the accuracy of this pricing information, saying that the Danes included the cost of some of the first five years of sustainment and training for the Super Hornet in calculating the upfront procurement cost, but did not do the same for the F-35.

It's also worth noting that the figures cited in the Danish analysis are significantly different from the Pentagon's own estimate for flyaway unit costs of both jets. According to the fiscal 2017 budget request, an Air Force F-35A costs about $99 million in FY17, and about $101.5 million in FY18. The same budget documents show the Super Hornet costs $77.8 million in FY17, and $78 million in FY18.

Boeing also took issue with the Danes’ determination that Denmark would need to purchase 11 more Super Hornets than F-35s to complete the mission. The type selection analysis pegged the Super Hornet’s service life at 6,000 hours, while noting that the F-35 can fly to 8,000 hours. Boeing thinks the right figure for the Super Hornet is 9,500 hours, the company confirmed.

In addition, Boeing submitted cost information on both the two-seat Super Hornet and the one-seat version, but the single-seat jet was not included in the final evaluation, according to one company official. The F-35 is a single-seat aircraft.

Teal Group analyst Richard Aboulafia also expressed skepticism about the Danes’ pricing information for the Super Hornet. Boeing could have priced the Super Hornet for future years when the production line is dwindling, and asked for more overhead to cover the cost of keeping the line open — but that explanation is not likely, he said.

It’s also possible the decision was politically motivated, Aboulafia noted.

“I see every reason for Denmark to select the F-35 given what Russia is doing right now,” Aboulafia said.

The Danish defense ministry has committed to a public debate period of about two to four weeks before the final parliament decision, according to sources familiar with the negotiations.

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Beitrag von theoderich » 29. Mai 2016, 15:28

Danish Committee Scrutinizes F-35 Plan Costs

The Danish parliament’s Committee of Defense (CoD) has raised fresh concerns over the minority conservative-liberal government’s selection of the F-35A Lightning II as the Air Force’s (DAF) next-generation fighter.

The CoD scrutinized the aircraft unit costs, technical calculations and overall decision-making process that underpin the Fighter Replacement Program (FRP) when it questioned defense minister Peter Christensen and officials from the New Fighter Program Office (NFPO) on Wednesday.

Moreover, the CoD asked the minister and NFPO experts to explain the rationale behind the eventual choice of aircraft, and to justify capital costs relating to both the flyaway unit purchase price and lifecycle for each of the short-listed aircraft competing in the FRP.

"Of fundamental importance is that we understand how the decision on selection was reached. We need to know the foundation for this, as well as the technical information and cost evaluation data on which calculations are based," said Rasmus Jarlov, chairman of the CoD.

The continuing talks on the FRP are expected to result in a preliminary cross-party agreement to purchase the F-35A ahead of the NATO summit meeting in Warsaw in July.

The NFPO’s calculations concerning flight hours per fuselage, and lifecycle costs of the competing aircraft, are proving to be particularly contentious against the backdrop of the ongoing cross-party political debate. The calculations were contained in the NFPO’s candidate aircraft evaluation report.

"There is still uncertainty about the final cost of the project, and how many aircraft will be bought," said Holger K. Nielsen, a Socialist People’s Party member of the CoD.

The eventual number of fighter aircraft to be acquired, which is expected to be between 22 and 30, will be decided during cross-party political talks to seal a new defense budgetary agreement. The talks will involve seven of the nine parties in the Danish parliament that supported the new fighter acquisition plan in 2012.

Opposition Danish leaders are also raising concerns over the projected three-year gap in 2022-2024. This is expected to occur between the phasing-out period for the DAF’s fleet of 29 in-service F-16s and the arrival of the first F-35 aircraft.

Defense minister Christensen described the gap as a "challenge" for Denmark and the DAF. Fewer operational front-line fighters will result in a suspension of DAF participation in international missions. Moreover, it could lead to a possible curtailment of flight time in "domestic" air-policing and similar operations in skies over Denmark’s Baltic Sea "neighborhood."


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Re: Dänemark kauft Kampfflugzeuge

Beitrag von theoderich » 09. Jun 2016, 15:43

Forsvarschef: F-35 er et godt valg

- Det er en glædelig dag. Jeg er glad for, at vi nu har en politisk beslutning om indkøb af 27 F-35 Joint strike Fighter- kampfly. Jeg mener, at det her er det rigtige valg for Forsvaret og for Danmark, siger Forsvarschef, general Peter Bartram, efter forligskredsen torsdag tog beslutning om typevalg og antal af nye kampfly til Forsvaret.

Glæden over den politiske beslutning deles af chefen for Flyverstaben:

- Med F-35 Joint Strike Fighter får vi et femtegenerations kampfly, der kan løfte Forsvaret og Flyvevåbenet op i en ny vægtklasse, siger chefen for Flyverstaben, generalmajor MALT Nielsen.

Lang forberedelse
Det forventes, at de første nye kampfly kommer til Danmark i 2022. Det betyder, at Forsvaret har seks år til at forberede Flyvevåbnet til det nye isenkram.

- Vi skal have det bedste ud af de sidste år med vores F-16-fly, samtidig med vi allerede nu går i gang med at forberede, at F-35 kan overtage, siger Forsvarschef, general Peter Bartram.
Det er for tidligt i forløbet for Forsvaret at gisne om nybyggeri og uddannelse samt om, hvilke konsekvenser den nye aftale eventuelt får for piloter og teknikere.

- Nu skal vi bruge den næste tid på at få alle disse ting på plads. Det kommer til at foregå i tæt samarbejde med vores samarbejdspartnere i Forsvarsministeriets Materiel- og Indkøbsstyrelse, Forsvarsministeriets Etablissementsstyrelse, CS, HOD og HKKF. Det er et stort arbejde, der ligger foran os, men det bliver spændende, siger MALT Nielsen.

Finansieres indenfor budgettet

Finansieringen af de nye kampfly kommer til at ligge indenfor Forsvarets nuværende økonomiske ramme, og det kommer til at betyde en række år med færre, større nyindkøb. Forsvarschefen er bevidst om, at det kommer til at betyde udfordringer for hele Forsvaret, men han mener, at de seneste års indkøb har forberedt vejen.

- Vi har i de seneste år brugt ressourcer på at opgradere flere dele af forsvaret. Der er blandt andet blevet indkøbt nye pansrede mandskabsvogne, nye maritime helikoptere og fregatter. Nu er tiden kommet til Flyvevåbnet. Det bliver en udfordrende periode, men det er vi forberedt på, siger Peter Bartram.

Aftale om kampfly på plads

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