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Syrienkrise - Erste Tote in der Türkei

Wehrtechnik & Rüstung, Gemeinsame Außen- und Sicherheitspolitik
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Re: Syrienkrise - Erste Tote in der Türkei

Beitrag von innsbronx » 21. Aug 2016, 14:04

Es gibt kein Völkerrecht, weil es keinen Weltsouverän gibt. Alles Völkerrecht ist reines Vertragsrecht. Wenn eine Koalition mächtiger Staaten etwas macht oder will, dann ist es auch legal, da sie sich selbst dazu ermächtigen können. Egal was irgendein anderes Papier besagt.

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Beitrag von theoderich » 21. Aug 2016, 21:25

Trotzdem ist die Frage mehr als berechtigt. Vor allem, wenn man bedenkt, was sich die Konfliktparteien seit Monaten gegenseitig vorwerfen. Niemand, weder die Syrer, noch die Russen, noch der Iran und ebenso wenig die USA, die europäischen und arabischen Staaten oder die Kurden haben das Recht, sich hier als moralische Autorität aufzuspielen.

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Beitrag von theoderich » 25. Aug 2016, 21:06

Nouveau raid aérien français au coeur du dispositif de Daech à Raqqah


Ce raid était composé de quatre Rafale, de quatre Mirage 2000 et d’un Atlantique 2. Une dizaine de missiles de croisière SCALP ont touché et détruit ce centre situé au cœur du territoire contrôlé par le groupe terroriste.


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Beitrag von theoderich » 07. Sep 2016, 15:37

Foreign Office spent £1m on US lobbying on behalf of Syrian opposition

While the UK hosts Syrian opposition leaders for peace talks, recent US Justice department lobbying records reveal that the British government funded $1.4m (£1.04m) of the Syrian rebel coalition's lobbying bill in Washington DC and the United Nations.

The Conflict, Stability and Security Fund, known as Conflict Pool until April 2015, paid American diplomacy start up Independent Diplomat $1.4m in the last 18 months to lobby the US State Department on behalf of the National Coalition of Syrian Revolution and Opposition Forces.

The Foreign Office did not immediately respond to a request for comment. In an email to al-Monitor, a spokesperson said: “The UK has spent over five million pounds [$6.5 million] since the start of the conflict supporting the Syrian opposition. This includes providing negotiation and communication support along with advice and training to staff at their international offices.”

The records also showed that Saudi Arabia has used its far-ranging contract with international PR firm the MSL group to help the Syrian opposition with “media support”, reaching out to international news outlets.

US issues MK 82 and MK 84 bomb contract to replenish allies (31. August 2016)

The US Department of Defense (DoD) has contracted General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems to deliver bomb bodies to international allies involved in ongoing operations in the Middle East.

The USD39.3 million contract, awarded on 30 August, covers the delivery of 162 MK 82-1, 7,245 MK 82-6, and 9,664 MK 84-10 bomb bodies to France, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates (UAE). It is believed that the various designations for the MK 80-series bombs refer to slightly differing construction, rather than to any substantive difference in role or capability.

The notification does not specify which types of bomb bodies will be delivered to which customer, or in what numbers. Work will be complete by 31 December 2017.

The MK 82 is a free-fall, non-guided, 500 lb general-purpose low-drag bomb, while the MK 84 is a 2,000 lb bomb. Both the MK 82 and MK 84 can be fitted with 'bolt-on' Paveway laser-guidance kits for a precision-guided capability as the GBU-12 and GBU-10 respectively. Guidance for all Paveway bombs is by semi-active laser, with steering corrections made by moving the nose-mounted canard control fins attached to the Computer Control Group (CCG) (the tailfins/wings are for stabilisation purposes only).

In French service, Paveways can be carried by the Dassault Mirage 2000 and Rafale fighters; in Iraqi service by the Lockheed Martin F-16 Fighting Falcon; in Saudi service by the Boeing F-15S Eagle, Eurofighter Typhoon, and Panavia Tornado IDS; and in UAE service by the F-16, Mirage 2000, and IOMAX AT-802 and Archangel platforms.

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Beitrag von theoderich » 15. Sep 2016, 16:48

BMLVS/BMI (Hgg.): Atlas Syria & Iraq (September 2016)

BMLVS/BMI (Hgg.): Atlas Syria & Iraq (Juni 2015)

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Beitrag von theoderich » 21. Sep 2016, 15:45

Was über den Angriff auf den UN-Konvoi in Aleppo bekannt ist

    Jane's Air-Launched Weapons (2001) hat geschrieben:RBK-500U UNIFIED CLUSTER BOMB

    Type Multipurpose cluster bomb.

    Development The RBK-500U unified cluster bomb is a further development of the earlier family of RBK-500 cluster bombs, details of which can be found in separate entries within this section of the binder.

    Development of the RBK-500U began in the late 1980s and was undertaken by the NPO Bazalt in the Moscow Region (now known as Russian State Research and Production Enterprise (SRPE) `Bazalt'). The RBK-500U was first seen in the West at the 1995 Paris Air Show, but details of the bomb and the various submunitions it could carry were not released until 1996.

    The designation letters RBK stand for razovaya bombovaya kasseta meaning `single-use bomb cassette'. The designation numbers refer to the bomb size category, and the `U' stands for unified.

    The RBK-500U has been designed as a multipurpose cluster bomb that can be loaded with various submunitions in order to fulfil specific operational requirements. There are five known submunitions: the OFAB-50, a nominal 50 kg fragmentation weapon, designed for use against lightly armoured and soft material targets; OFAB-2.5, a 2.5 kg fragmentation weapon designed for use against soft vehicles and personnel; the BetAB, a concrete-piercing submunition, designed for use against airfield runways and taxiways; the 15 kg SPBE-D, anti-tank sensor-fuzed Explosively Formed Penetrator (EFP) weapon, designed to attack travelling or stationary groups of tanks; and the PTAB, an anti-tank weapon, designed to attack the top protection of tanks, IFVs and APCs.

    The complete cluster bomb is designed to withstand the high g forces encountered by combat manoeuvres of high-speed attack aircraft, and is fitted with standard Russian spaced suspension lugs. The RBK-500U cluster bomb is believed to be cleared for carriage on MiG-21 `Fishbed', MiG-27 `Flogger', MiG-29 `Fulcrum', Su-17 and Su-22 `Fitter', Su-24 `Fencer', Su-25 `Frogfoot' and Su-27 `Flanker' aircraft of the Russian and allied air forces.


    The RBK-500U cluster bomb is basically the same shape and size as the earlier RBK-500 cluster bombs except that it has a modern four-fin tail unit, as opposed to the eight-fin drum tail unit fitted to the older models. The lightweight cylindrical body has a conical nose and is fitted with standard Russian nose fuze well and 250 mm spaced suspension lugs. The bomb is 2.5 m long, has a body diameter of 450 mm, a tailspan of 0.63 m and when loaded weighs a nominal 500 kg. The nose section houses the fuzing system for triggering the bomb's submunition ejection system, and the container compartment is designed to hold various loads of the different submunitions. After release from the parent aircraft the cluster bomb follows a ballistic trajectory towards the target area. At the appropriate time, determined by the cluster bomb's time fuze, the body container is opened up and submunitions are released/ejected over the target area.

    The OFAB-50 is a dual-purpose fragmentation submunition developed primarily for use in the RBK-500U. It has been designed to be used as either a concrete-penetration bomblet or an air-burst anti-light armour/material weapon. The letters OFAB stand for oskolochno-fugasnaya aviatsionnaya bomba meaning `fragmentation/high-explosive aircraft bomb'. The OFAB-50 has a constant diameter cylindrical body with a conical nose that has a small standoff probe. This is believed to contain a contact fuze that can be preset for instant or delayed operation depending on mission requirement. The rear third of the bomblet consists of a stabilising unit comprising of eight small flip-out fins followed by what is believed to be a solid propellant motor. It is unclear whether there are two distinct types of OFAB-50 for the two modes of operation, each fitted with different warheads, or a single type that can be set for either mode of operation. The method used to dispense the RBK-500U's load of 10 OFAB-50s is not known, but is believed to be done simply by centrifugal forces. When used in the above-ground mode of operation fragments from the OFAB-50 are said to have the ability to penetrate lightly armoured vehicles within a 65 m radius and soft material within a 200 m radius. When used in the penetration mode it is credited with the ability to penetrate a 200 mm reinforced concrete floor. The RBK-500U loaded with 10 OFAB-50s can be released from an aircraft at altitudes between 200 and 15,000 m throughout the speed range of 500 to 1,200 km/h.

    The OFAB-2.5 submunition is a further development of the earlier AO-2.5 RTM (see separate RBK-500 AO-2.5 RTM entry) and is an Anti-Personnel/Anti-Material (APAM) weapon. The designation letters OAB stand for oskolochnaya aviatsionnaya bomba meaning `fragmentation aircraft bomb'. The 2.5 kg APAM submunition is unusual in appearance in that it has a small canister body that is rounded at both ends and has an arrangement of three air scoops around the centre of the body on what appears to be a strap type arrangement. These are believed to induce a stabilising spin during free-fall. The method used to dispense the OFAB-2.5s is not known, but is believed to be done simply by centrifugal forces. The individual bomblets on reaching the ground are activated by their own mechanical fuze system. It is unclear as to whether the bomblets are detonated on impact or are a type of contact mine. For surface detonation each device is credited with the ability to defeat soft material targets within a radius of 40 m; exposed personnel at 20 m and entrenched personnel at 10 m. The RBK-500U loaded with 126 OAB-2.5 can be released from an aircraft at altitudes between 100 and 15,000 m throughout the speed range of 500 to 1,200 km/h.

    The BetAB submunition is believed to be an upgraded version of the one used in the earlier RBK-500 BetAB cluster bomb (for further details see separate entry). The designation letters BetAB stand for betonoboynaya aviatsionnaya bomba meaning `concrete-piercing aircraft bomb'. The front half of the BetAB submunition has the appearance of a slender artillery shell, while the rear section has a constant larger diameter and contains a solid propellant motor. The original BetABs were 0.66 m long, had a body diameter of 76 mm and weighed 25 kg. The method used to dispense the bomblets is not known, however, it is clear from Russian documentation that the bomblet is released from the cluster bomb within another container tube that has a diameter of about 140 mm. Once clear of the cluster bomb this container tube is stabilised by a retarding parachute, and at a suitable altitude the penetrating device is fired at the runway to give it sufficient kinetic energy to penetrate the concrete to a suitable depth for cratering. The bomblet is detonated below the runway by a delayed contact fuze, resulting in a large hole with its attendant `heave'. It is reported that each bomblet is capable of penetrating 400 mm concrete and causes a crater with a radius of 1.5 m. The RBK-500U loaded with 10 BetAB can be released from an aircraft at altitudes between 300 and 5,000 m throughout the speed range of 500 to 1,200 km/h.

    The SPBE-D is a further development of the SPBE anti-tank submunition (see RBK-500 SPBE entry), and is also used in the Russian Smerch 240 mm multiple-launch rocket system. SPBE-D stands for `standard smart anti-armour submunitions'. The project requirement was for a less expensive weapon than the new Russian `Smart bombs' such as the KAB-500Kr, which although ideal for attacking high-value targets like bridges and command bunkers, were considered too expensive for attacking more numerous low-value targets such as armoured vehicles. Although the SPBE-D submunition performs the same role as the US Air Force's BLU-108/B SFW, the new Russian submunition more closely resembles those used with the US Army SADARM than those in the BLU-108/B. According to its manufacturer, Bazalt, the SPBE-D has a two-colour infra-red (3 to 5 Ám and 8 to 14 Ám) sensor and is autonomously guided, and as a result does not require the command module used in the RBK-500 SPBE design. Each SPBE-D is fitted with three small individual parachutes to control its descent. They measure 280 × 255 × 186 mm and weigh 14.9 kg. Once released and clear of the RBK-500U's payload container, the parachutes are deployed, the sensors flip out and the canted rectangular wings that cause the device to spin, flip out. The SPBE-D dual-band IR sensor has a look angle of 30~ and scans the target area at a rotational rate of 6 to 9 rpm, its 15 to 17 m/s descent rate being governed by the three parachutes. Once the sensor acquires the target, and determines the warhead detonation point (around 150 m altitude) with an onboard microprocessor, the sensor-fuzed weapon (SFW) arms itself and detonates. The 173 mm-diameter copper plate forms a 1 kg penetrator with a velocity of 2,000 m/s, able to penetrate 70 mm of armour up to an angle of 30~. The RBK-500U when fitted with the 15 SPBE-D is credited with the ability to kill six tanks when delivered at altitudes between 400 and 5,000 m throughout the speed range of 500 to 1,200 km/h.

    The PTAB submunition is believed to be an upgraded smaller version of the one used in the earlier RBK-500 PTAB-1M cluster bomb (for further details see separate entry). The designation letters PTAB stand for protivo-tankovaya aviatsionnaya bomba which means `anti-tank aircraft bomb'. The new PTAB is a HEAT submunition which has a small cylindrical body which contains a shaped charge. It has a nose-mounted sensitive percussion cap type contact fuze, and small folding stabilising fins at the rear. The method used to dispense the bomblets is not known, but is believed to be simply by centrifugal force. Once clear of the cluster bomb the PTAB submunition deploys the rear-mounted folding stabilising fins and descends vertically onto the target. Each PTAB submunition is credited with the capability of penetrating up to 210 mm of armour and is reported to have a built-in self-destruct of 20 to 40 seconds. The RBK-500U containing 352 PTAB can be released from an aircraft at altitudes between 100 and 15,000 m throughout the speed range of 500 to 1,200 km/h. Operational Status

    The RBK-500U cluster bomb and all the above submunitions are in service with the Russian and allied air forces. It was first publicly offered for export in 1992, and has been exhibited at several displays since then. There are no known exports.


    RBK-500U cluster bomb

      Length: 2.5 m

      Body diameter: 460 mm

      Tailspan: 0.63 m

      Lug spacing: 250 mm

      Weight: 500 kg

      Filling: various submunitions


      Length: 0.28 m

      Body diameter: 255 × 185 mm

      Tailspan: n/a

      Lug spacing: n/a

      Weight: 14.9 kg

      Filling: HE shaped charge


      Bazalt State Research and Production Enterprise Moscow.

    Jane's Air-Launched Weapons (2001) hat geschrieben:OFAB BOMBS

    Type General purpose bombs.

    Development This range of conventional free-fall bombs was developed to provide the Russian Federation with heavier fragmentation weapons than the AO range of bombs (see separate entry). Although classified as fragmentation/blast bombs under the Russian `type' system they are designated general purpose bombs. Their design is similar to the FAB series of demolition bombs, but in general they have thicker skins in order to produce a greater fragmentation effect. Little is known of their development other than it has been a continuing programme and they are designed for use against lightly armoured vehicles, vulnerable material and personnel in the field.

    Originally there were seven known bombs in this range: OFAB-100M; OFAB-100MH; OFAB-100NV; OFAB-100-120; OFAB-250M; OFAB-250-270 and OFAB-500U. The letters OFAB stand for oskolochno-fugasnaya aviatsionnaya bomba meaning `fragmentation/high-explosive aircraft bomb'. The number in the designation refers to the bomb size category, and any additional letters signify special applications. In the case of these bombs it is unclear what these additional letters stand for.

    The design of the bombs dates back to the Second World War, and allows them to be carried under the wings or fuselage of small aircraft, or in bomb bays of larger bombers. One unique feature was the development of a long detonator probe that allows the OFAB-250M to be detonated about 1.5 m above the ground for maximum effect. A parachute retard system was also developed for fitting to the full range of bombs when required.

    In 1996, five more OFAB bombs were displayed. These were designated OFAB-500U (but with a more streamlined shape than the original), OFAB-250T (similar to the FAB-250M-62), OFAB-250 ShN, OFAB-250 ShL and OFAB-500ShR (three retarded low-level delivery bombs). It is believed that all versions have been cleared for carriage on some or all of the following aircraft of the Russian and former allied air forces; MiG-21 `Fishbed', MiG-23B `Flogger', MiG-27 `Flogger D', Su-17 and Su-22 `Fitter', Tu-95 `Bear', Tu-95M `Bear', Tu-16 `Badger', Tu-22 `Blinder' and Tu-22M `Backfire'.

    In 1996, a dual-purpose OFAB-50 bomb and submunition was reported, the submunition for use with the RBK-500U cluster bomb (see separate entry). A Russian bomb, believed to be an OFAB-120, was exhibited in 1996 in South Africa with a South African Jupiter fuze fitted. It is reported that a variant of the OFAB-100MH with a standoff nose probe is manufactured in Poland but no details are available.


    All of the early OFAB fragmentation bombs have the same unsophisticated high-drag shape of many of the early Russian bombs. They are cylindrical with flattened rounded or bell shaped noses, and have an old-fashioned fin and drum stabilising fin combination. The 100 kg bombs have single suspension lugs, and the 250 and 500 kg bombs the Russian standard 250 mm spaced suspension lugs. When fitted with the standoff nose probe the OFAB-250M has an ogival nose to which is attached the 1.5 m probe. The detailed specifications of the original seven individual bombs are listed below. Fuzing details are not known, however all these bombs can be fitted with a parachute retard system for low-level release. The parachute is contained in a cylindrical drum assembly attached to the rear edge of the outer ring of the tail.

    The OFAB-100-120 is credited with the ability to penetrate lightly armoured material within a range of 32 m and easily vulnerable targets up to 135 m. It is released at altitudes between 500 m and 15 km at speeds up to 1,150 km/h.

    The OFAB-250-270 is credited with the ability to penetrate lightly armoured material within a range of 40 m and easily vulnerable targets up to 155 m. It is released at altitudes between 500 m and 12 km, at speeds between 500 and 1,200 km/h. Details of the OFAB-500U bomb were released in 1996. This bomb has a more modern low-drag shape than the other OFAB bombs, and is made in two almost equal length assemblies. The front assembly is a constant diameter bomb shell with a double tapered nose fitted with a Russian fuze well; the rear assembly contains a parachute system, and has a four-fin and ring tail unit.

    The OFAB-500U is 2.3 m long, has a body diameter of 400 mm, a tailspan of 0.45 m, 250 mm spaced suspension lugs, and a weight of 515 kg. The filling contains 155 kg of high explosive. The bomb can be released from altitudes between 30 and 10,000 m with a speed range of 500 to 1,200 km/h. The fragments are reported to have the ability to penetrate lightly armoured vehicles to a radius of 90 m, and soft materials to a radius of 210 m.

    The OFAB-250T is different from the above bombs in that it has a prefragmented skin, and is more aerodynamic. It has a modernised four-fin/ring, welded tail unit and a pointed shaped nose with a conventional fuze well. The OFAB-250T is 2.05 m long, has a body diameter of 300 mm, contains 95.7 kg of an unspecified HE and weighs 256 kg. Details of the weapon's fuzing are not known but it can be released from altitudes between 50 and 1,200 m at a release speed of around 2,500 km/h.

    The OFAB-250ShN is a parachute-retarded bomb designed for low-level release. It has a constant diameter prefragmented body and a pointed nose with a fuze well. The tail unit is similar to one used on the FAB-250ShN and could be the same. The OFAB-250ShN is 1.99 m long, has a body diameter of 325 mm, a weight of 275 kg and has 95.7 kg of high explosive. It can be released at altitudes between 25 and 500 m at speeds between 530 and 1,200 km/h.

    The OFAB-250ShL is similar in size and shape to the OFAB-250ShN but has a mechanical retarding system instead of the parachute. It is 1.99 m long, has a body diameter of 325 mm, a weight of 268 kg and has 94 kg of high explosive. It can be released at altitudes between 25 and 1,000 m at speeds between 550 and 1,200 km/h.

    Externally the OFAB-500ShR looks like a larger version of the above two retard bombs. However, internally it is quite different. It is made up of several sections, including two separates stages of retard each using a parachute and what appears to be up to three separate warheads. The OFAB-500ShR is 2.49 m long, has a body diameter of 450 mm, a weight of 497 kg and a total of 126 kg of high explosive. It can be released at altitudes between 50 and 750 m at speeds between 750 and 1,100 km/h. On release from the aircraft the first parachute is deployed and stabilises the bomb. The tail section is then jettisoned and the bomb continues in an arch towards the target. At a predetermined height the second parachute deploys further retarding the bomb, which then ejects the warheads. From the information available it is unclear if there are one, two or three warheads.

    Operational Status

    All of these fragmentation bombs are believed to be in service with Russian and former allied air forces. The OFAB-100-120 and the OFAB-250-270 bombs were offered for export in 1993. In 1995, a similar family of OFAB bombs was exhibited in Romania by a Bulgarian manufacturer. In 1996, the OFAB-250T, OFAB-250ShN, OFAB-250ShL and OFAB-500ShR were also offered for export.



    OFAB fragmentation bombs are now offered for export by VO GED, General Export for Defence, Moscow, and by the Bazalt State Research and Production Enterprise, Moscow.

Bei der Explosion von ca. 150 kg TNT würden ungefähr 1248000 dm³ oder 1248 m³ Gas erzeugt (1 g TNT erzeugt bei seiner Explosionstemperatur von 2800°C ca. 8,32 dm³ Gas.):

    Blast Loading and Blast Effects on Structures – An Overview

    6.2 Localized Structural Behavior

    The close-in effect of explosion may cause localized shear or flexural failure in the closest structural elements. This depends mainly on the distance between the source of the explosion and the target, and the relative strength/ductility of the structural elements. The localized shear failure takes place in the form of localized punching and spalling, which produces low and high-speed fragments. The punching effect is frequently referred to as bleaching, which is well known in high velocity impact applications and the case of explosions close to the
    surface of structural members. Bleaching failures are typically accompanied by spalling and scabbing of concrete covers as well as fragments and debris (Figure 10).

    6.3 Pressure-Impulse (P-I) Diagrams

    The pressure-impulse (P-I) diagram is an easy way to mathematically relate a specific damage level to a combination of blast pressures and impulses imposes on a particular structural element.

    Vulnerability Assessment of Concrete Tall Buildings subjected to Extreme Loading Conditions

    2.2 Blast loading

    The threat for a conventional bomb is defined by two equally important elements, the bomb size (or charge weight (W), which is normally measured using the equivalent amount of TNT), and the standoff distance (R) between the blast source and the target. For example, the blast occurred at the basement of World Trade Centre in 1993 has the charge weight of 816.5 kg TNT. The Oklahoma bomb in 1995 has a charge weight of 1814 kg at a stand off of 4.75m (Longinow, 1996). With the detonation of a mass of TNT at or near the ground surface, the peak blast pressures resulting from this hemispherical explosion decay as a function of the distance from the source as the expanding shock front dissipates with range (Fig. 2). The incident peak pressures are amplified by a reflection factor as the shock wave encounters an object or structure in its path. The reflected pressure is at least twice that of the incident shock wave and is proportional to the strength of the incident shock, which is proportional to the charge weight. The blast pressure decays exponentially and eventually becomes negative as shown in Fig. 3. This then subjects the building to pressures acting in the direction opposite (suction pressure) to that of the original shock front. Peak blast loads may be several orders of magnitude larger than the largest loads for which conventional buildings are designed (Table 1).

Gemessen am Reifendurchmesser des Lkw (~ 1.100 mm) hat die Wand einen Durchmesser von geschätzt 370 mm:

Die Bombe müsste in ca. 2 m Entfernung von der Betonwand eingeschlagen sein. 150 kg TNT erzeugen in 2 m Entfernung, nach der Formel von Newmark und Hansen, einen maximalen Explosionsdruck von 127602,701813 hPa.



Wäre hier wirklich eine OFAB eingeschlagen und detoniert, hätte der Schaden beträchtlich größer sein müssen.

Übrigens wird die OFAB, der der gestrige Angriff auf einen UN-Hilfskonvoi in Syrien angelastet wird, auch über Waffenhändler in Bulgarien und Kanada vertrieben:

Und sie wird in Bulgarien und Indien produziert:

Auch interessant:

RAF Reaper drones used in airstrike that killed Syrian troops, MoD says (19. September 2016)

RAF Reaper drones were involved in the weekend airstrike that killed at least 62 Syrian government troops and threatened the fragile truce in the country, the Ministry of Defence has said.

An unspecified number of weapons were fired from the drones capable of firing 500lb laser guided bombs and Hellfire missiles, it added.

The British military said it was cooperating fully with an investigation by the US-led coalition into the incident, which led to dozens of soldiers being killed and injured, according to Syrian government reports.

Australian, Danish and US air forces were also involved in the raid.

An MoD spokesman said: “We can confirm that the UK participated in the recent coalition airstrike in Syria, south of Deir ez-Zour on Saturday, and we are fully cooperating with the coalition investigation.

“The UK would not intentionally target Syrian military units. It would not be appropriate to comment further at this stage.”

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Re: Syrienkrise - Erste Tote in der Türkei

Beitrag von theoderich » 13. Okt 2016, 22:32

USA prüfen laut Insidern militärische Syrien-Optionen

US-Präsident Barack Obama und seine engsten Berater werden nach Angaben aus Regierungskreisen wohl noch in dieser Woche weitere militärische Optionen in Syrien abwägen. Es sei ein Treffen für morgen geplant, sagten Regierungsvertreter, die namentlich nicht genannt werden wollten, der Nachrichtenagentur Reuters.

Nach den jüngsten heftigen Angriffen des syrischen und russischen Militärs auf Aleppo seien Stimmen laut geworden, dass sich die USA stärker militärisch engagieren müssten. Eine Option sieht demnach Luftangriffe auf syrische Militärstützpunkte, Luftabwehrstellungen und Munitionsdepots vor.

Allerdings berge das die Gefahr, dass auch Einheiten des syrischen Verbündeten Russland unter Beschuss kommen könnten. Obama wolle aber eine direkte Konfrontation mit den Russen vermeiden. Eine Alternative besteht Regierungsvertretern zufolge darin, von den USA unterstützte Rebellen mit moderneren Waffen auszurüsten.

Das US-Präsidialamt wollte sich zunächst nicht äußern.

Erschreckend, wie kritiklos die Nachrichtenagenturen hier berichten - vor allem, wenn man die unausweichliche weitere Gewalteskalation in Syrien und die "Kollateralschäden" in Europa bedenkt.

Hillary Clinton emails leak: Wikileaks documents claim Democratic nominee 'thinks Saudi Arabia and Qatar fund Isis' (11. Oktober 2016)

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Beitrag von theoderich » 21. Okt 2016, 09:08

Nachrichtenagenturen, österreichische Medien und militärische Themen ... So viel Blödheit bringt einen Leser wirklich zur Verzweiflung:

    Putins Doppelstrategie in Syrien

    Während der Kreml-Chef eine Verlängerung der Waffenruhe in Aussicht stellte, nahm seine Kriegsflotte Kurs aufs Mittelmeer.

    20.10.2016 | 18:25 | unserem Korrespondenten Thomas Prior (Die Presse)

    Die Nato warnt indes davor, dass Russland in zwei Wochen zum ultimativen Schlag auf Aleppo ausholen werde. Darauf weise die größte Truppenbewegung seit dem Ende des Kalten Kriegs hin, wie ein Diplomat der Allianz der Nachrichtenagentur Reuters mitteilte. Die russische Marine schicke derzeit ihre Nordflotte und einen Großteil ihrer baltischen Flotte mit Flugzeugträgern ins Mittelmeer. Die Kriegsschiffe würden bald eine Rolle in der Entscheidungsschlacht um Aleppo spielen, so der Nato-Diplomat.

Wirklich belustigend, welche angeblichen "Diplomaten" diese Leute daherfantasieren. Dann recherchiert man, woraus sich die Nordflotte und die baltische Flotte zusammensetzen - mit folgendem Ergebnis:

    The International Institute of Strategic Studies (Hrsg.): The Military Balance 2014. The Annual Assessment of Global Military Capabilities and Defence Economics (London 2014), p. 187 hat geschrieben:Northern Fleet

      Equipment by type

      Submarines 41

        Strategic 10 SSBN (1 SSBN's Bulava SLBM not yet operational)
        Tactical 23: 3 SSGN; 13 SSN; 7 SSK
        Support 8: 7 SSAN (other roles); 1 SSA

      Principal Surface Combatants 10: 1 CV; 1 CGHMN; 1 CGHMN (in repair); 7 DDGHM (of which 1 in refit)

      Patrol and Coastal Combatants 12: 3 FSGM; 9 FSM

      Mine Warfare 12: 1 MHSO (in repair); 3 MSO; 8 MSC

      Amphibious: 4 LST

    SSBN ... nuclear-powered ballistic missile submarine
    SSGN ... nuclear-powered guided missile submarine
    SSN ... nuclear-powered attack submarine
    SSK ... attack-submarine with ASW capability (hunter killer)
    SSAN ... submersible auxiliary support vessel (nuclear)
    SSA ... submersible auxiliary support vessel
    CV ... aircraft carrier
    CGHMN ... cruiser/guided missile/with Hangar/with missile/nuclear-powered
    DDGHMN ... destroyer/with AShM/with hangar/with SAM
    FSGM ... corvette/with AShM/with SAM
    FSM ... corvette/with SAM
    MHSO ... mine hunter/inshore/ocean
    MSO ... mine sweeper/ocean
    MSC ... mine sweeper/coastal
    LST ... landing ship/tank

    The International Institute of Strategic Studies (Hrsg.): The Military Balance 2014. The Annual Assessment of Global Military Capabilities and Defence Economics (London 2014), p. 187 hat geschrieben:Baltic Fleet

      Equipment by type


        Tactical: 3 SSK: 1 Lada; 2 Paltus (Kilo)

      Principal Surface Combatants 7: 2 DDGHM; 5 FFGHM

      Patrol and Coastal Combatants 20: 4 FSGM; 8 FSM; 7 PCFG; 1 PCM

      Mine Warfare / Mine Countermeasures 15: 4 MSC; 11 MHI

      Amphibious 11: 4 LST; 5 LCM; 2 LCAC

    FFGHM ... frigate/with hangar/with SAM
    PCFG ... patrol craft/fast/guided missile
    PCM ... patrol craft/with CIWS missile or SAM
    MHI ... mine hunter/inshore
    LCM ... landing craft/medium
    LCAC ... landing craft/air cushion

Dazu kommt, dass die Russen nur einen einzigen Flugzeugträger haben: die "Admiral Kuznetsov".

De facto geht es um fünf (!) Schiffe und ein paar Unterstützungseinheiten:

    Russian carrier sails for the Mediterranean

    Russia's only aircraft carrier, Admiral Kuznetsov , and a supporting naval task group has set sail for the Mediterranean, state-owned news agency TASS has reported.

    "The group consists of the aircraft-carrying heavy cruiser Admiral Kuznetsov, the battlecruiser Pyotr Velikiy, large anti-submarine ships Severomorsk and Vice Admiral Kulakov and support vessels," according to a statement from the Russian Northern Fleet on 15 October, reported by TASS later that day.

Die russische Nordflotte und die baltische Flotte, mitsamt den "Geister-Flugzeugträgern", würde locker reichen, um neben Syrien auch noch die Türkei zu attackieren und einen umfassenden Seekrieg im gesamten Mittelmeerraum zu führen. Und man hätte sogar noch Reserven. Wer kauft den Medien diese "Raubersg'schichten" ab?






Es gibt einen Twitter-Account zur Operation "Euphrates Shield" der türkischen Streitkräfte. Darüber wird interessanterweise überhaupt nicht mehr berichtet:

Der ganze Account ist eine einzige Selbstbeweihräucherung.

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Beitrag von theoderich » 23. Okt 2016, 12:20

    Compare the coverage of Mosul and East Aleppo and it tells you a lot about the propaganda we consume

    Patrick Coburn

    Patrick Cockburn is an award-winning writer on The Independent who specialises in analysis of Iraq, Syria and wars in the Middle East. In 2014 he forecast the rise of Isis before it was well known, and has written extensively about it and other players in the region. He was born in Cork in 1950, went to school there and in Scotland, took his first degree at Trinity College, Oxford and did graduate work at the Institute of Irish Studies, Queens University Belfast before shifting to journalism in 1978. He joined the Financial Times, covering the Middle East, and was later Moscow correspondent. He joined The Independent in 1990, reporting on the First Gulf War from Baghdad, and has written largely on the Middle East ever since.

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Beitrag von theoderich » 25. Okt 2016, 13:04

MoD to resume training Syrian opposition fighters for assault on Isis

The UK is to resume training the Syrian moderate opposition, sending a further 20 Ministry of Defence personnel to the Middle East to help them prepare for an eventual attack on Islamic State’s Syrian headquarters.

The defence secretary, Michael Fallon, is due to announce on Tuesday that the trainers will restart working with moderate Syrian opposition fighters in infantry, medical and explosive hazard awareness skills as part of the campaign against Isis.

The move – largely a resumption of discontinued training – will disappoint moderates who have been asking for much more substantial aid, including heavier arms and superior air support.

The British government hopes the trainers will not only improve the capabilities of existing fighters but also generate new forces. Fallon said that up to 20 UK personnel would deploy to locations in the region “to provide vetted members of the moderate Syrian opposition with the skills they need to continue to take the fight to Islamic State”.

The MoD insists moderate fighters exist in north-western Syria, and denies they are all extremists. Fallon has described a moderate in the Syria context as someone “prepared to live within a plural political settlement that can in the end be democratic and take Syria towards elections”.

Wieso verpulvert das britische Verteidigungsministerium Geld für ein Programm, dessen Scheitern jetzt schon absehbar ist? Wenn unbekannte ausländische Kämpfer in Syrien sterben, ist es natürlich politisch leichter zu verkaufen, als wenn man mit britischen Flaggen bedeckte Särge aus Transportflugzeugen der RAF entlädt.

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Beitrag von theoderich » 13. Nov 2016, 10:54

Syrian opposition left with nowhere to turn after Trump's victory (11. November 2016)

If the US was to withdraw its support, it would mean the CIA would play a much lesser role, or no role at all, in vetting weapons that are sent into Syria from Turkey. A core CIA function has been to ensure that anti-aircraft weapons, which could be lethal against civilian airlines, are not given to rebel groups for use against the Syrian and Russian air forces.

The southern front, which was an active area of operations for the CIA and Jordanian officials has been all but closed to weapons re-supplies for the past six months. The Turkish border remains the only meaningful supply line for rebels who are fast running out of options – and are leaking support elsewhere.

Saudi Arabia, which had supplied CIA-vetted rebel units with anti-tank missiles that had decimated Assad’s ageing armour, has increasingly disengaged from Syria. One senior Saudi official told the Guardian in September that Syria was no longer in the kingdom’s top five regional priorities. Turkey too has adopted a different posture in recent months, with President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan – once the most vocal proponent of the Syrian opposition – remaining mute as the Russian blitz of east Aleppo drew widespread international outcry.

On the ground though, Turkey has taken a more direct role inside Syria, sending its armour in support of Syrian Arab forces 11 miles from the Syrian town of al-Bab, the most western stronghold of Isis.

At the same time, it has insisted that the US, which has partnered with Syrian Kurdish forces to advance on the Isis epicentre of Raqqa, does not enter the city itself. Turkish officials say they have received assurances from the US military that its Kurdish proxies will only isolate Raqqa and that no decision will be taken to enter the city before Trump’s inauguration.

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Beitrag von theoderich » 20. Nov 2016, 11:38

McCain Reiterates Plan For Syria As Trump Plan Remains Unknown

Senate Armed Services Chairman John McCain, R-Ariz., reiterated his plan for Syria at the Halifax International Security Forum Saturday, which includes establishing a no-fly zone and putting US boots on the ground at a time when US President-elect Donald Trump’s plan remains unknown or non-existent.

“We need a no-fly zone and we can enforce not an entire no-fly zone over the entire country, but a no-fly zone which would be protective and it would take some American troops on the ground and we can succeed in at least protecting some of the refugees and we can use it as a place to arm and train and equip modern forces. It can be done,” McCain said.

Additionally, McCain said taking Rakka in Syria is strategically key, which would take about a 100,000 force, comprised of 10,000 American troops and 90,000 troops from allies and other nations.

“We could go into Rakka and take it in a very short time,” McCain said. As long as Rakka remains the Islamic State’s caliphate, it will continue to be a center for terrorism to develop chemical weapons, recruit more members, and export “young men into the refugee flow to commit acts of terror in places all over the world,” he said.

The plan seems to take a page from the 2007 Iraq surge of US troops, which McCain said allowed for the defeat of Al-Qaeda; a military campaign that left Iraq primed to be a peaceful and democratic country. But, Al-Qaeda moved to Syria, according to McCain, and the American withdrawal from Iraq presented an opportunity for the Islamic State to move back in and take hold of territory.

“You can defeat militarily and that is not the only answer, but first you have to defeat militarily,” McCain said. Then economic, social and political issues can be addressed, he added.

“We should help them with Marshall plans once we have defeated them,” McCain said. “We need to work as hard as we can to improve the economies and lives of the people in these countries so that they will have an opportunity besides becoming radicalized and going out and taking their own lives in order to take the lives of others.”

Dieselbe Naivität, die bisher 4.511 US-Soldaten im Irak das Leben gekostet hat. Die Idee eines "Marshallplans" klingt ja nett, nur: Wie will McCain das umsetzen? In Ländern mit erheblicher Korruption und so großen kulturellen Unterschieden zu den USA und Europa? Und als Vietnamveteran müsste John McCain auch wissen, dass das desaströse Engagement der USA in Vietnam mit Militärberatern (Dwight D. Eisenhower: 900; John F. Kennedy: 16.000) begonnen hat: